Well, I must say that this interview with Maarten Horst and Geoff West on ET/First Contact BBS Radio was enjoyable for me in every respect.
Thanks to Puk (Pascale) for transcribing what is a very long discussion.
Extracts of a Radio Interview by Maarten Horst with Steve Beckow
April 25, 2011, BBS-Radio https://www.bbsradio.com/etfirstcontactradio
Maarten Horst: Welcome to ET First Contact Radio!
Geoffrey West: And ET First Contact Radio welcomes to the show today Steve Beckow. Steve currently lives in the city of Vancouver, British Columbia, in Canada. A historian and sociologist by education and training, he has also authored books on cross-cultural spirituality, life after death and First Contact. Steve currently dedicates much of his time to his website “The 2012 Scenario.” His passion focuses on events relating to shifts in human-planetary consciousness, our galactic family, and events predicted and prophesied for the end of the current cycle in 2012. “The 2012 Scenario” can be found at www..
Maarten: Yes, hello, Steve. This is Maarten.
Steve: Hi, Maarten. Thank you, Geoff, for that introduction. Hello, everyone.
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Maarten: This is ET First Contact Radio on BBS Station One, and I’m going to ask some questions of Steve Beckow from “The 2012 Scenario”. If you want, Geoffrey, you can also ask questions. So welcome, Steve!
Steve: Thank you, Maarten.
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Maarten: So, Steve, the first question: how did you, first of all, become interested in the extraterrestrials and channelings like SaLuSa and Matthew Ward and Mira from the Pleiadian High Council and others?
Steve: Well, I think I’ve been interested in channeled literature most of my life. But the interest for a long time was on the back burner, until around 2007 when a friend of mine, Len Satov here in Vancouver, mentioned the 2012 scenario. And I had not been aware of it until then, but that having been said, I do notice when I look backward through the years that everything I’ve studied cross cultural spirituality as Geoff mentioned and life after death and the other topics, have all worked their way into…, they’ve all been very useful for the study of “The 2012 Scenario” itself.
So, once Len told me about what he knew was happening, I then did what I often do and that is set up a website and begin to study this subject and see for myself what was happening. That website was “First Contact” and that’s different from “The 2012 Scenario” website. But that’s how it all began, I was totally blown away with what I found out, which is what Geoff knows, what you know, and what probably increasing numbers of your listeners are finding out as well.
Maarten: Yes, I guess so. And, do you have the feeling, or do you have the notion or the idea, with your knowledge, I think you have a lot of knowledge about the whole scenario, that the landings will happen before the end of this year?
Steve: Oh, yes. Interestingly, I was just speaking with two people today. Before talking about that, let me just mention that it’s very difficult to talk about this, because I realize that everybody is looking forward to the start of ‘the main event’ so to speak, but when we talk about dates and they don’t happen, people can be disappointed, disillusioned. This is, I was going to say a global event, but it’s more than a global event. The actual Ascension or planetary shift that will take place, probably in the latter part of 2012, is a cosmic event. It’s a universal event.
Maarten: Yes.
Geoff: An event of galactic proportions.
Maarten: Yes. The Ascension process that was foreseen for 26,000 years, according to the Mayans and also according to many channels like SaLuSa, and we are now entering the end of that cycle. Can you feel that, can you notice that in your personal life, Steve?
Steve: Oh yes, I’ve been tracking, and Geoff probably could state the same that, I’ve been tracking my own internal process and I’m just growing, expanding, feeling more love every day. So I can very much see how the energy being beamed to this planet is …. [At this point the Wi-Fi connection to Maarten if Germany was broken.]
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Steve: I think the best way to describe it is, if you can imagine a balloon that’s empty and then it’s gradually being filled with air, that’s about the way I feel inside as each month passes and more and more energy is being beamed to this planet. According to the galactic sources and the spiritual hierarchy, the plan is to gradually raise the energy, so that people are not overly stressed or shocked.
So, it’s a gradual process. It’s also problematic in the sense that when you raise the energy in the way that is happening now, it exposes the problematic side of our personalities. It exposes the places where we’re resistant and separative and invested and so you see a lot of acting out going on around us in people, and most of them don’t know what’s happening. So this process has to be managed as well.
And then another side of the process that has to be managed is that the planet’s controllers and most of Maarten’s listeners probably may not know very much about the control under which the planet has existed for millennia, but the planet’s controllers nonetheless, the elite, we know them, the military-industrial complex, the secret state, or however you want to think about them, are resisting as well.
And so this process too has to be managed, this resistance by the controllers. So there is just a lot that’s going on. And it’s not very easy to talk about when events like Disclosure will happen or First Contact, because the galactic team that’s handling it is managing so many variables and so many important situations.
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Alright. I think the best thing to do, if we want to explore some topics is to tell the listeners exactly what is going to be happening, what they can expect, coming in a number of weeks or a number of months. Shall we do that?
Geoff: Sure. I will take the moment to gently remind the listeners that each soul is uniquely different but equally beautiful and different information will resonate with different listeners in each moment. So, as you listen to what is shared, embrace it, take it in, and see how you feel with it.
Does it ring, does it feel like it’s a part of your, well, I use the word truth. I’ve been told to focus on something slightly different, which I am going to graciously consider at this time. You know we all have a message that is a part of ourselves. So, whatever you feel is your message at this time, go with what you feel. Please, go ahead Steve.
Steve: Alright, thanks Geoff. Well, I think the first thing to realize is that what is being enacted at this moment is a divine plan. It’s a part of the divine architecture of the universe. I’d like to… excuse me, pardon me, I’d like to mention the backdrop to this.
There actually is a purpose to life. There is actually a reason why all this is happening around us. And the purpose of life is for the Divine to experience itself. The Divine is formless and cannot experience itself. If you were the only thing in a room with no mirror or light or other people, you too could not very well experience yourself, so the Divine created life – or us – and gave us the task of realizing our true identity, which is the Divine. Every time a life form realizes itself, God meets God. So, that’s the backdrop to everything that is happening, never mind just what is happening right now.
So we are, all of us, involved in a journey from God to God. And at this point in the journey we are about to leave the world of duality and enter the world of unity. But that’s just one stage on the journey. There are endless stages past that.
And we’re being assisted by both our own spiritual hierarchy, and I know many listeners may not accept the reality of life outside the body, but it is a feature of life. There is a spiritual hierarchy, individuals who are responsible for the evolution of the planet Earth. They have invited extraterrestrial civilizations who come from higher dimensions, some of them, to mentor us to assist us to restore the Earth, to spread abundance so that people are not focused on their survival, and then to prepare for Ascension, which is generally understood to come at some point on or before December 21, 2012.
There have been many instances of Ascension in our history, I can think of some from Christianity, from Judaism, from Hinduism, in other words from sacred books from those religions, but on this occasion we’re going to shift as a planet.
Some will choose not to go with us, and that’s fine. There is no judgment attached to that. This is the aim of the plan, then, that Ascension will take place either on December 21, 2012 or sometime before it. And so the plan has other steps prior to that. Now the big step that all of us are waiting for is Disclosure of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations. That’s the first big step.
But there is another big step that accompanies it, and that is the introduction of a planetary abundance program which some people know as NESARA (the National Economic Security and Reformation Act, an act of the American Congress that has not been proclaimed), and that those people who watch the Zeitgeist Addendum will know as the “wisdom economy.” SaLuSa, a spokesman for the Galactic Federation, calls it the “abundance program.” But a lot of people know it best as NESARA.
The abundance program is designed to take want out of the lives of people, so that they can have the space and the emotional capacity to prepare for Ascension. So, I expect NESARA and Disclosure to happen around about the same time. I have no idea when that will be, and if I did I would not say because to do so would be to invite the planet’s controllers to create an earthquake or a volcano erupting on that day. So, it’s not wise in my estimation to talk about the date of Disclosure.
Disclosure would be an event in which some of the leaders of the governments of the world present members of the Galactic civilizations who are here, and probably also members of the spiritual hierarchy. After that, there will be two events. One: First Contact, which is a mass landing of the galactics and their entry into our world. Plus, the return of the masters so the great masters of all world religions and philosophies – people like Buddha, and Jesus, and Mohammed, perhaps Krishna, Ramakrishna – these well-respected, well-known figures will come to be part of preparing us for Ascension.
Following that will be a restoration of the Earth, which is commonly called “terra forming.” All the radiation, which is left – a lot of it has been removed by the galactics already – all the radiation that’s left will be removed. All the pollution that has happened will be removed, the remaining pollution in the Gulf of Mexico will be done away with, and the Earth in general will be restored in quite rapid fashion.
And then the work of preparing us for Ascension itself will occur. And the galactics probably will be our mentors, along with the masters. All of this will happen in very rapid fashion. We won’t believe how quickly it will all be accomplished. So, those are some of the main events in the plan.
And this is a divine plan. It cannot fail because it’s God’s decree. But, there are factors such as the Law of Free Will, which say that galactics can only interfere so much with the free will of people like the planetary controllers, so unfortunately the Galactics have had to allow them some free will in these last days to do some pretty nasty things.
One evidence of the energy rising on this planet is what’s happening in the Arab world. They’re the first corner of the world to demand their freedom back from the dictators. That is taking a little bit of time, but apparently it’s bound to succeed. And I think we will find that places like Myanmar and other areas of the world where freedom is not present will regain their freedom as well. So that’s a kind of a thumbnail sketch of what’s coming up.
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2012 is as if we opened the door and then walked out into a space. It isn’t the end of life or the end of experience. It will be the end of certain systems we’ve had which favor some people and disfavor others. But it’s just the beginning of a new age.
The abundance program that will be coming in is only a temporary program. It’s only designed to see us through to December 21, 2012 or whenever the shift occurs. After that we won’t use money. You’ve got to realize that we are going to be greatly expanded people after that. The kinds of feelings that we have, the kinds of fears that we have, thoughts that we have, will probably not be present. We won’t even consider not cooperating after that day. It will just be a natural response from us, so there will be no need for money in what some people call a Golden Age that will be happening after December 21, 2012.
I know people are stressed. We are watching the fall of a financial system that has been in place for millennia, and has always favored the rich and not the poor. And in fact we are watching the fall of an entire economic philosophy, which if it had been allowed to continue in the direction it was going, would have brought a lot more detriment to the people at the bottom.
I think people can see that the middle class is shrinking, automation had taken away jobs, no provision was being made for people. When people attempted to bring in systems like universal Medicare which we have in Canada, as you know Geoff, and it’s wonderful system. Why anybody would oppose it I don’t know. And yet in the United States whole sections of the population are being led to oppose it.
The medicare system is beneficent and the population of the United States will be left without it. Many people would not be able to afford it. That’s the direction in which it was going, towards the increasing detriment of the lower rungs of the economic ladder. All this is going to be reversed. So we’re watching the ending of one system, the crash of one system, to be followed simultaneously by the rise of a different system. The system that’s crashing benefits very few people. The system that’s rising will benefit everyone.
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I think the main message I would like to give to people or leave people with is that for decent people, for people who love other people and want the world to work out and are compassionate and kind, there is absolutely nothing to fear from events. Yes, there will be some Earth changes. Some of these changes are being caused by the military-industrial complex and others. But even if they weren’t, there will be some earthquakes, some volcano’s going off and only those people who have agreed to participate in them for some karmic reason, will probably be affected. So there will be some events happening which are disturbing.
They are meant to release the negativity of the planet, so that the planet itself can ascend. Apart from the Earth changes and the fall of the inequitable financial structure, the events that we’ll be experiencing in the next year and a half will be wonderful.
And people don’t have to worry about doing something to enjoy them and participate in them, but if they did want some advice on what they could do, that would well position them for these times, then I would say: Love! Love, Love, Love!
That’s what people can do, if they are looking for something to do. And if they’re looking for something to avoid, it would be fear. Avoid being fearful. Avoid being rattled by news which the planet’s controller’s are putting out, which is designed to make people afraid. They’re exaggerating the radioactive fall-out from Fukushima, and they’re exaggerating the financial situation.
Here in Vancouver I keep walking down the street and reminding myself that we are in a recession or a depression, it doesn’t appear that way to me. But I know that there are a lot of people hurting, but things are going to work out! People are going to be thrilled with the outcome, and that would be my message, in short, Geoff.
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Geoff: It’s in these moments, in these times, that we are currently experiencing that each individual has that choice to move up into connecting to higher energies that are now manifesting. And it really doesn’t matter if you choose to believe this or not. Somewhere within you there is the feeling, that I’m certain most listeners are willing to say, “Something feels different at this time”. Would you not agree, Steve?
Steve: Absolutely! In regards to what you said, I’d like to invite the listeners to see an image of Jacob’s Ladder of consciousness, which the Muslims call the Stairway to Heaven. We’re all of us are evolving back towards God, and this is just a few scenes in that overall program.
The problem with trying to answer your original question on a radio show like this, Geoff, is that there are, and we are not very much aware of this as a civilization, but there are natural universal laws, which govern our world. And we don’t really know about them and we don’t really line-up with them very well.
Before I could answer your question I’d have to discuss the Law of Free Will. You’ve discussed the Law of Karma. The Law of Attraction. There are so many divine Laws which are impacting our situation, and one would have to discuss those, and there isn’t time in a program like this. So that’s why I say that if listeners were looking for one thing that they could do to practice, then, that I would say, would be to become more loving. In other words, bonding with more and more people, since where we’re going is to a unitive, not a separative, level of existence.
That’s the best practice and what I didn’t say is that that invokes the natural laws in ways that will overcome some of the factors that people are meeting in their lives. But again, to say why that would be, I would have to go into the natural laws, to discuss that, and I think that will probably have to wait until, I guess, the very time when people will be out of those circumstances. I acknowledge that it’s an important discussion to have. I just think we don’t have time for it right now.
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Steve: The Stairway to Heaven is an enduring image because it’s a picture of spiritual evolution, which is the process that underlies life. Darwin had it partly right. We do physically evolve. But our spirit evolves too, over many lifetimes.
Geoff: Absolutely. Certainly through the decades there have been little insights and profound insights of wisdom that have come through in the form of music, cinema, and literature. At the time when I did my master’s degree there was not a lot of literature. The idea and the concepts that we are discussing now were expanding, but in 2006 when I did my masters degree, 2005, there was enough information to justify the thesis that I wrote for my degree, but now there’s just a plethora of information available.
This alone is a significant step or even an evolution in consciousness at this point in time. I mean back then there were movies like ET. There was Close Encounters of the Third Kind. There are television shows like Star Trek and Stargate. All of them are alleged to have bases in factual information, but it could not be presented that way because it was perceived and consciousness was not ready for it. Now consciousness appears to be ready for it. Agree or disagree?
Steve: Oh absolutely. I watch TV and from time to time I see some evidence of some kind of conscience conversion happening, but I can’t really put it into words. I keep saying to myself “Why are these people looking so hopeful, you know, and optimistic?” And the events that we’re talking about right now are the reason why those people can look so hopeful and confident and optimistic. They are the subtext. They’re not being talked about very commonly yet, but they are the reason why people can say, “We’re going to take back the planet, and we’re going to do this and do that”. They are the reason, The 2012 Scenario is the reason why. It’s the basis for hope right now.
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Maarten: Well, dear listeners, the hour has passed very quickly and I thank you, Steve, for this wonderful website that you have and the work you do. It’s just wonderful. You are pleasing so many people. And thank you Geoffrey for helping me.
Steve: Thanks for your radio show, Maarten. This has been a wonderful experience.
Maarten: Thank you for being here, Steve and Geoff, and namasté.
Steve: Namasté. Bye for now.