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July 25, 2024 at 1:02 AM #356283
Ed Love
ParticipantEvery channeled message I read offers help. But we have to ask for it!
Fair enough. I ask. And they don’t help.
WTF?!
I keep forgiving the SAME bloody issues again and again and again.
But nothing changes. NONE of those who offer to help do.
Otherwise I’d feel better, and actually make some progress.
WTF do they offer if they won’t help?
Why would I trust any of them after continual no shows.
Anybody got any clues?
Thanks.
Love
Ed
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July 25, 2024 at 7:41 AM #356287
Catherine Viel
ModeratorOh, man, I hear you!!
All I can offer, Ed, is an “ear” to hear. You’ve no doubt received the usual platitudes of just hang on, it will get better, etc. etc. Please, just know that you are NOT alone in living with circumstances you’d rather not (I assume) and not receiving “divine help” despite ASKING.
I have absolutely zero answers for another person. I don’t know if you have been following my “hip pain story” that I’ve written about periodically over the last couple of years, here on the blog. The solution turned out to be asking for non-spiritual assistance (hip replacement surgery). You can bet I was praying and petitioning mightily before, during, and after that whole process. But the thing that worked was the 3D surgery.
Again, that’s not an answer or suggestion, I am just sharing how that particular “big problem” got dealt with in my life.
Feel free to send me a private message (through the forum) if you’d like.
love & hugs,
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July 25, 2024 at 11:20 PM #356313
Ed Love
ParticipantThanks for your reply, much appreciated. I’m more than happy to ask for simple physical solutions!
However, this is emotional, and I’ve tried countless healing processes. No results so far here.
Thanks anyway.
Love
Ed
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July 27, 2024 at 7:26 AM #356345
Catherine Viel
ModeratorYes, the spiritual stuff is much tougher to tackle than the physical!
Xo
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July 25, 2024 at 11:51 AM #356295
Lily
ParticipantHi Ed, I can say that from my own experience that the help is always there, maybe not in the form we are expecting.
My requests have been answered countless time.
I think we have expectations as to the solution of our requests, hence lies the problem.
We think we know what’s best at any given time, but we are only viewing the “problem” from our limited perception.
Most adversity is introduced into our lives by our own hand, whether planned prior to our birth or unconsciously post birth.
I can say from experience, that adversity has pushed me along spiritually. It has made me dig deeper and uncover many hidden truths within.
Some so painful that I had sent a good deal of my time holding them down.
I have discovered that the frustrations of the human experience are playing out for me to explore my own tangled tale.
I would be happy to share some of my Divine Interventions with you, although I don’t think that is really what you are questioning.
I think the bigger question for us in life is trust.. Trusting that there is a “higher Divine presence” that we can turn to for help.
And along with that feeling is the constant unconscious current of, if we feel worthy of receiving the help.
It sounds nuts, but we are conditioned to believe that this Universe is somehow lacking.. money, love, food, safety, help..etc.
As long as that belief is held in place, abundance/help is blocked or trickling in.
We are taught from an early age that if we are “good”, we will be loved. Bad = no love.
Most of us spend our lives putting on the masks of being “good”.
I grew up catholic, which is another whole story..
But, here’s the thing.. Many years ago I prayed for God’s help, my life at that time was quite a mess. And in that moment God spoke to me. From that moment on
a friendship formed. Life didn’t suddenly turn around to all rainbows and unicorns, but I knew beyond any question, that I was being guided. It was quite a
shock to my catholic upbringing. The most astounding part of this was the realization that “God” was not a punishing god at all, only loving.
I think we go from questioning God, to walking with God, to the Divine realization that we are one with God, the Divine.
The process of awakening to our true spiritual nature.
We are on quite a journey.
Blessings,
Lily
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July 25, 2024 at 11:21 PM #356314
Ed Love
ParticipantThanks, Lilly, I don’t feel any unworthiness, and I don’t know of anybody who treats themselves as well as I do myself.
God spoke to you when you asked? Have you ANY idea how lucky you are? I’d LOVE to hear from upstairs!
Then they could tell me what’s going on, and how I can heal, release it.
Until then, it’s the blind leading the blind: me asking human beings.
Thanks anyway.
Love
Ed
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July 27, 2024 at 7:28 AM #356346
Catherine Viel
ModeratorSounds like the human experience in a nutshell at this moment in time:
“Until then, it’s the blind leading the blind: me asking human beings.”
Thank you so much for starting this thread, Ed. You’ve sparked a great discussion.😃
Love,
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July 28, 2024 at 6:32 AM #356374
Ed Love
ParticipantMy pleasure! Why knows ultimately why things happen?
Love
Ed
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September 4, 2024 at 10:32 PM #357405
Light2
ParticipantHi perhaps you should start all over again.
If I would ask you questions. it would be have you sorted out your energy drama ? Reflection from wrong doings coming back to you. are often what causes problems.Why read changelings ? You are your own truth. and the situation your in is your reality.
Why no one helps ? can you communicate with the souls they channel your self ? and ask them direct ?To reach that situation you might need to look in to your energy drama, that often hold people back from further direct experiences of source and energy.
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July 27, 2024 at 7:25 AM #356344
Catherine Viel
ModeratorLily, this is BEAUTIFUL:
“The most astounding part of this was the realization that “God” was not a punishing god at all, only loving.
I think we go from questioning God, to walking with God, to the Divine realization that we are one with God, the Divine.”
Lovely discussion we have going here, thank you for contributing.🤗
Lovely,
Catherine💓💗💖
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July 26, 2024 at 10:56 AM #356326
Lily
ParticipantI do feel really lucky. That experience was the start of a new journey.
But I don’t want to sugarcoat it either. I went through so much emotional releasing in the years that followed. But, as painful as it was, it was completely worth it.
It reminds me of birthing a child, painful, but once you’re on the other side of the process, you look back and think it was worth the effort.
You got this.
Love to you
Lily
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July 26, 2024 at 11:29 PM #356339
Ed Love
ParticipantYes, my life HAS improved, and I’m way happier than I used to be.
It’s still VERY frustrating when things seem to be stuck forever.
I don’t see how it serves me to be massively angry about trivia.
Heck, I’ve had the cops show up TWICE due to this rage!
Sigh.
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July 27, 2024 at 7:19 AM #356342
Catherine Viel
ModeratorEd, are you familiar with the existence of the pain-body? Eckhart Tolle Tolle writes about it in A New Earth. The disproportionate, sometimes almost random upwelling of rage is the pain-body being activated—it literally is NOT the “real” you, but an aspect of the ego. I highly recommend you read up on it ASAP. Yes, he does offer a “solution” which basically is to become aware that you are not it, to begin to break identification with it. Gradually the hold the pain-body can have on us diminishes with that awareness.
And it’s not a forever process, either, depending upon the density of the pain body and the level of awareness of consciousness of the person. Obviously you’re pretty consciously aware, but it sounds like you could have a rather dense pain body… (Nobody’s fault, it’s just what happens to us here on Earth.)
It’s quite fascinating, really, and he explains it all in such a way that even I can understand. My eyes tend to glaze over when people talk about esoteric topics and ego etc. etc. but his discussion made practical, everyday sense to me.
Love,
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July 28, 2024 at 5:59 AM #356372
Ed Love
ParticipantThanks for that reminder. Yes, I love ET, he’s such a gentle sweet man. The pain body is a good way of explaining things.
I have no idea if that perspective will help, but it’s always worth being reminded of. Thanks!
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July 28, 2024 at 8:04 AM #356376
Catherine Viel
ModeratorSometimes I’m appreciative of ET, sometimes I feel he is not quite on the mark. I feel like he has part of the puzzle but not all of it, like many who have experiences like his and write about it.
Love,
C💗💓💖-
July 28, 2024 at 10:23 PM #356402
Ed Love
ParticipantYes, you’re right. As I’ve read elsewhere, being present is great, but unless you forgive and heal underlying issues, the same old same old just keeps coming up.
My frustration is when you DO do the healing and forgiveness work, dozens of times, if not more, and the same triggers still cause suffering 🙁
Love
Ed
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July 26, 2024 at 7:16 PM #356333
Kim
ParticipantHey Ed:
“My upstairs” is wanting me to say the following to you or I won’t get no sleep, because we all are still connected and since giving=receiving it’s basically me serving me, or “MY upstairs serving YOUR upstairs”:
I like to keep it as short as possible bc I don’t ever expect anybody “to believe what I’m saying” bc I KNOW how unbelievable this must sound:
Want to know WHY you can’t enjoy loosing at playing table tennis while others can?
“You’ve obviously done your homeworks!” which I understood from an article posted here in 2020 that my upstairs made me read, so I could “do the maths” for what I’m supposed to say here.
Meaning: “In order TO BE our Higher Self” we had to be “as clean or pure as possible” “BUT” from my very own experience I can tell you “IT AIN’T FUN!” “being a Higher Self” in a surrounding that has NOT YET “ADJUSTED ITSELF”… understand where this is heading?
“Loosing” is just as impossible as being afraid “for a Higher Self” BUT THE FEELINGS that come via loosing or fear ARE STILL NEEDED… they kind of create/produce “new pathways” y-/our devinity needs to reach us FULLY. EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE!… and so IT’S ON PURPOSE YOU’re not getting any help… ppl who are getting help ARE BEING HELPED BY CONTRACT that are made PRIOR to being born… it’s actually all quite simple and like many channeled messages have said long time ago.
ALSO: We are ALL SUCH INDIVIDUALS… YOU for example, are “THE KEEPER of some key” “MY UPSTAIRS is right now via writing this” connecting with you wether you believe it or not, and I am “only their tool” WHO KNOWS from doing this job fot long enough that THOSE who so far have responded to you (and also those who might still do) have added their energy too bc it was needed…
I think that’s all I had to say, and “PLEASE” if you don’t like it JUST IGNORE IT! until you can complain to our upstairs yourself because english is not my first language AND THEY NEVER HELP ME (😡), ok?
PS: YOU ARE GREATER than you think you are, that’s “the problem”.
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July 26, 2024 at 11:46 PM #356340
Ed Love
ParticipantThanks for your reply, although I’m not sure I really get it.
Who’s done their homework? You or me? Or … ?!
Why are those upset feelings needed? Been there, done that, I want to try something new!
Do you mean upstairs wants me to keep being upset for its own reasons?
Isn’t that complete and utter sadism and torture? I don’t get it.
And yes, I get that we’re all One, and so we can all chat upstairs to each other.
And that our HS is massively huge, being ultimately that One, while we think we’re limited down here.
I still don’t get why upstairs wants me to suffer?! Is that what you’re saying?
If so, what kind of shite world is this where upstairs (which can see all) makes us (who can see little) suffer?
Repeatedly again and again and again? If that’s true, they should all be SACKED!
If I’m getting this all wrong, please do correct me!
I don’t mind being wrong, as I can learn from that.
And is the right phrase … danke vielmal?
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July 27, 2024 at 1:08 AM #356341
Kim
ParticipantLol… I never knew my german accent was that bad… 😂
Thx for replying that quick bc now I’m realizing WHY we’re talking:
First of all “YOU DID your homeworks…”
Then: you must DRASTICALLY change your pov on suffering “if you want to get the hang of it”, which is a ridiculous thing to say bc IT IS UTTTTTERLY AWFUL.. and even KNOWING WHAT IT IS GOOD FOR doesn’t help… or would it help if you KNEW that what you came here for could only be achieved BY GOING THRU WHAT YOU’RE GOING THRU?
Personally I keep saying to myself that it must be 2 different stories having agreed to our scripts AND THEN EXPERIENCING what we agreed to…
Btw. to think UPSTAIRS is MAKING us suffer “IS AS WRONG AS POSSIBLE”… THEY ARE SPEECHLESS as in “😬😬😬😬😬😬!”… but when we entered this realm “our way was programmed” and therefore unchangeable…
You see the only reason I can say this is bc “MY WAY ENDED” almost 10 yrs ago much to my surprise but I immediately started LEARNING/BEING TOLD everything about my up to that point life… and so “actually I’m dead” and UPSTAIRS always says “I’m having a NDE” since then… 🤪
I feel like I better send this now although “I can do better than that” and hate being so “non eloquent”… yet I need to integrate our exchange of energy in SMALL steps… btw “what I got from you” right after leaving my first reply WAS THE BEST in a veeery long time… “so 🙏🙏🙏 for that!”
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July 27, 2024 at 7:22 AM #356343
Catherine Viel
Moderator“Personally I keep saying to myself that it must be 2 different stories having agreed to our scripts AND THEN EXPERIENCING what we agreed to…”
I think that’s it exactly, Kim! Thank you for elucidating so clearly. And by the way I love the 10 year NDE!😆
Love,
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July 28, 2024 at 6:01 AM #356373
Ed Love
ParticipantKein problem! I just guessed you were German from your name. I adore languages, accents, language, and spent two happy years there.
I was lucky enough to be there in 89, when den Maur gets kaput! I saw Pink Floyd The Wall, at the Berlin Wall.
I was also there for Einheitstag. Amazing times!
I have no idea what to make of what you shared, but thanks anyway.
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July 28, 2024 at 9:56 AM #356387
Kim
Participant“Kein Problem Ed”, denn selbst ich verstehe erst MIT deinem letzten Kommentar “worum es hier überhaupt geht”, insofern “DANKE VIELMALS!” for adding that piece to “my” puzzle.
Falls du wirklich nach einer DIREKT EFFEKTIV&PRAKTISCHEN Lösung für was dir auf die Nerven geht suchst gebe ich gerne an dich weiter was bei mir bis in die letzte Ritze funktioniert hat:
Falls du “THE WORK von Byron Katie” noch nicht kennst, im Internet gibt es alles dazu was man braucht um alleine aber mithilfe DIESES GENERALSCHLÜSSELS nicht nur aufzulösen was dir im Wege steht, sondern auf diesem Weg auch zu integrieren=dir zu Nutzen zu machen wozu “dieses Hindernis” überhaupt aufgetreten war.
Diese Methode ist “quasi magisch”, allerdings nur bei bedingungsloser Anwendung.
Dass du beim Mauerfall in Berlin warst finde ich übrigens SEHR bemerkenswert. 😎.
“MAACH ET JOOT” sagt der Kölner.
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July 28, 2024 at 10:21 PM #356401
Ed Love
ParticipantYes, I’m a huge fan of Byron Katie, but as yet, it’s not helped. Yet?
As much as I love other lingos, I’d better stick with English, as I’m not fluent in others.
Enough to be dangerous, and live overseas, but not fluent 🙁
I was in Munchen when the Wall fell, but had 4 sets of friends visit me from around the world.
Then we drove into Berlin, and had a great time! I’m a huge Pink Floyd fan.
Sometimes we DO get lucky!
Love
Ed
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July 28, 2024 at 3:56 AM #356371
Kim
ParticipantThanks for CONNECTING/”JUMPING IN” dearest Catherine but I’m literally having a hard time trying to figure out “HOW to talk to YOU” (“nothing seems TO FIT properly” 😅) but luckily I KNOW what that means:
During the first 2-3 yrs after my NDE had started I not only received the most simple but interesting details about life on earth like this one:
When people meet “their fields meet too” and kind of EXCHANGE INFORMATIONS and during this Phase One I spent much time with a bunch of younger than I ppl living like old day hippie ppl on a meadow from a friend of mine. We’d spent much time in his little hut and whenever somebody new came to visit I was like “Ohhh… Let’s see what s/he’s going to deliver” because “it was always graspable” and sice then I KNOW there’s nothing but purpose in everything that happened to me…
THAT IS what I am being reminded right now and I couldn’t be HAPPIER about having to say this here… my 10 NDE IS COMING TO AN END!!!… and “what will life be like AFTERWARDS” I expect to NOW FINALLY be able to RECEIVE… in whatever way…
I’m a big fan of your articles BUT ONLY NOW I KNOW why… 😍😍💘
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July 28, 2024 at 8:02 AM #356375
Catherine Viel
ModeratorWell Kim, I hope your NDE is coming to an end not because your physical life is coming to an end.😲 whatever is happening, I’m happy you’re happy about it!
Thank you for being a “fan” of my articles, I appreciate that!😃
Love,
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July 31, 2024 at 1:02 AM #356460
Kim
Participant“My ego” just finished teaching me a nice lesson via your “The Silver Thread” article 🙏🙏… so funny… especially ETs remark about “HIM” being “pathogical” was quite lol… [actually I COULDN’T EVEN BELIEVE he’d said that…]
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July 31, 2024 at 7:16 AM #356464
Catherine Viel
ModeratorI’m sure the ego doesn’t appreciate being called pathological!😆
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August 25, 2024 at 8:03 PM #357102
OneLove
ParticipantEd, Your original question, I want to say my perspective/answer. First off, I come onto this site maybe every 3 months or so since there’s not much of interest to me here. This is why I’ve come so late to your query. Your question interests me.
I used to watch for their help also, many, many years ago, and then I saw that their ‘crickets’ were throughout… life. Silence and no help told me that I can’t trust those channelers/messages, so I don’t read them anymore. I’m pretty sure that I know who most of them (channellings) are anyway. I’ve since learned that I am who I’ve looked for, and I have learned to deliver (manifest) what I choose, and not rely on ‘these beings’. That’s all that I want to say for now.
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September 3, 2024 at 7:29 AM #357349
Lily
ParticipantHey Ed, I know what you mean, when it’s all feeling good, no worries.
Reminds me of back pain, trying not to move in a way the triggers the pain.
I appreciate you starting this thread, this is something I’m passionate about. Consciously clearing the upsets.
I have been uncovering my own patterns for a while and have discovered…
That we all have patterns that “thread” through our energy. There are blocked, stuck areas that we are unknotting.We question how long it will take before the upsets stop. It’s a process.
Awareness is an important part of the process. Once you become aware of the ongoing pattern, you have less desire to get pulled back into the story/drama.
The problem is that most people have a difficult time untangling the thread that reveal the root of the story.
We only look at the surface symptoms of what we feel in the moment of the upset.
When we use awareness to take a step back from the upset, and view the situation from an elevated perspective, we start to dissipate the story/drama.
I like to use breathing to consciously shift perception of the upset. A few conscious breaths can pull my thoughts “up”.
When we begin to get the threads untangled, the patterns are all rooted in the same story.
All roads lead back to the illusion that we think, feel, believe that we a somehow separate from the Divine.
Every pattern of upset starts with illusion that we have separated from the One.
All roads originate with the illusion of the split.
We are all remembering, realizing the truth of our Divinity.
While consciously knowing that we are all uniformly achieving wholeness within the now.
It’s a process unfolding for all of us, this realization/remembering.
We’re playing a game the feels like there are no rules.
Awareness unlocks the rulebook/map.
Awareness is our personal GPS; it will navigate us back to the One/truth.
I look at the upsets as a guidepost. It’s an indication that there’s work to be done, another knot to untangle.
As I sit here untangling my own knots, I’m sending love to all who are working their own threads loose.
Lily
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September 5, 2024 at 6:12 AM #357413
Lily
ParticipantIt does seem to be a never-ending game. We are in our own life size virtual reality.
We are all experiencing our own reality based on our personal thoughts, fears and beliefs.
The idea is to consciously shift those thoughts, fears and beliefs, to shift our own personal experiences.
There is an old movie from the 90’s, The Truman Show, fantastic movie. I originally watched it in the 90’s and something about it stuck with me.
Fast forward in my spiritual journey, and I can say that that movie is an example of the illusion that we are in.
We are in the center of the game; the clues are all around us and there are fears keeping us from awakening to our truth.
It’s worth a watch, especially if you are viewing the film through that awareness.
Lily
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