Perhaps I can squeeze in one more exchange as a “loose end tidied up.”
The cross-correspondences were a superbly-designed demonstration project that Frederic Myers directed from the after-life.
They consisted of messages containing passages from diverse and literate sources sent to some mediums, often without explanation, which could not be read or understood except in conjunction with other passages that were given to other mediums in far-flung corners of the world.
There was no chance of collaboration. The experiment was so elegant that it stood as the best proof to date of life after death.
Cyrus K refers to them as an example of what he’d like to see from Archangel Michael or Grener if we’re to believe that they are true sources.
I love Steve Beckow’s afterlife compendium [New Maps of Heaven] and information from what I believe were reliable medium resources, such as F.W.H. Myers. That’s why I first started visiting this site. Honestly, I’ve never felt comfortable about a lot of the galactic information, simply because of the lack of confirmation.
In the 1900s, the F.W.H. Myers communications resulted in something called the cross correspondences. A complex system established by Myers before his death. Through this system, he verified his discarnate existence.
It would almost be the equivalent of Grener or some other alien making a conference call.
For that reason, I can place some trust into a book like The Road to Immortality, written by the deceased Myers and transcribed through a medium.
In addition, physical mediumship provides great evidence. The Scole Group brought in research scientists, who bought their own film, and left it in the package and held it during the seance. Messages from the ‘other side’ appeared on the film after it was developed.
These are all examples of verified mediumship. An intelligence from the other side understands the need to verify something. They understand that “blind faith” is part of the problem, not the solution. The reason is because deceased individuals learned the lessons from Earth. They know the way the game works.
The reason I can’t place any trust into AAM, or Grener, or any of these guys is there is no verification.
*They are not verifying their existences in a system where verification is already the proven standard!*
I really wish Steve would direct all of his resources toward spreading information from resources that have been verified in a scientific or objective way. Otherwise, these mediums are very likely teaching us things from their subconscious minds.
Sometimes the subconscious mind can be filled with enlightened knowledge, even channeled information from no particular source (ie Esther Hicks) which is not verifiable but still useful. It’s just not factual.
These mediums could not, for instance, locate a dead body in the desert or help somebody locate where their grandpa buried his savings. Because the information is not coming from an objective place.
And this is really bad to put blind faith into.
That’s a very interesting argument you present.
I believe that Myers carried out the cross-correspondences not to assist us to place confidence only in mediumship connected to spirit communications from the afterlife but in spirit or higher-dimensional communications generally.
If you think about it for a moment, Cyrus, what you call “objective” circumstances are really circumstances that can be verified by use of the five senses; that is, material circumstances. The purpose of life is to know ourselves as God and God cannot be known through the five senses. God is not material.
And in fact nothing of a higher dimension, as far as I’m aware, can be known through the senses of the lower dimension. So if I were to accept your test, I would rule out our knowing or verifying the existence of anything of a higher dimension all the way up to God.
But since knowing God is the purpose of life. I’d be unable to fulfil life’s purpose if I was to accept what you say. How does that value or benefit anyone?
In fact we know God and the higher dimensions by raising our vibrations to those higher levels. One of the ways we raise our vibrations to those higher levels is to listen to and contemplate the messages of higher-dimensional beings and these are most often conveyed through means like channeling.
People like Myers, who had a mind that was competent enough to figure out the many puzzle-like pieces of the cross-correspondences so that no one could doubt them, have cleared the way for our accepting messages from people like Archangel Michael or Grener, as far as I’m concerned.
Myers’ test verified that channeling itself was a useable means of communicating. It does not establish that all mediums are reliable or all messages are reliable, as you note, Cyrus.
You can see that other sources, who are also credible, like SaLuSa and Hatonn, are coming forth to validate Grener’s existence and even validate the trip to the Neptune. Billie Woodard has travelled outside his body, saw the Neptune, and saw Archangel Michael and Grener. We’re also receiving what purport to be the first reports from people who allege they have gone aboard the Neptune.
Archangel Michael has greater work to do than do another version of the cross-correspondences.
So in a sense it’s not fully utilizing Myers’ work to expect another to do it also. Myers did it for us all.
Yes, there isn’t objective evidence for messages from people like AAM and Grener. They have to be measured using other standards. The love that one feels when listening to them, the verification that is provided by our expanding knowledge, the agreement with material provided by other sources are all ways of increasing comfort with what they say.
But the alternative is to lose the value that comes from listening to these sources. In writing New Maps of Heaven, I was operating at the time on a frontier that was at least as non-traditional to some people as the galactic messages are to people today. I do so to open new fields and give us more to think about.
So to say that they don’t conform to the tests devised that really only apply to the very third-dimensionality that they challenge is really beside the point, I think. The higher dimension will never be understood in the terms of the lower dimension. It’s what the possibilities are that they open up for us that matter more to me personally.
Cyrus’s second post is also very elegant and I include it here as well. I’m not saying I agree with him but his message is well put.
Hi Steve, and everybody.
I’ve been following this situation somewhat closely. I’d like to chime in my two cents.
I’m a UFO contactee. Personally, I’ve seen a few things that would be comparable to what you guys were hoping to experience this weekend. Real, tangible experiences. Unfortunately, your guess is as good as mine who, or what, these things are. Although I saw, with many other witnesses, an enormous spaceship hover in from orbit– they didn’t exactly open their doors for us and clue is on on their origin.
The truth is, I think everyone is in the dark about these things. Local airforce personnel monitored where this craft landed in AZ for many years. My best interpretation of this experience is that even the government had no idea, and I base this from personal investigation and discussion with military personnel. They’d play endless cat and mouse games with these visitors, but I don’t really think they got very far.
Like anybody, the mind seeks answers. We need explanation, and structure, and order. It would be fabulous if these things were in direct contact with us, and were working for the good of mankind, and wanted to take people on galactic tours.
But shortly after I heard about these guys, ascension, etc. I grew uncertain. I know a lot about mediumship. My main area of interest is not UFOs at all, it’s life after death. Aliens, to me, are an after-thought. The real concern is what happens when we croak.
Mental mediumship is, by far, the most unreliable method of contact with the other side. And, there are many ways to receive glimpses or communication with the next world.
Mental mediumship operates in such a way that the messages from the communicator intermix with the subconscious mind. Sometimes, this creates entirely fictional circumstances. A mental medium may think they are communicating with an intelligent entity, but they are communicating with a construct they have built in their own mind.
I believe the ETs I’ve seen have every resource available to contact us directly, verbally, physically– and would NEVER require a channel as unreliable as mental mediumship. Whoever, whatever these things are–they are staying quiet for a reason.
I fear the reason there will be no galactic joyrides, and perhaps nothing will happen on Dec. 21st, is because this information is coming through mental medium channels that are extremely unreliable. Maybe originally Archangel Michael was a real communicator, as with these so-called alien representatives. But, over the years, they have really just become figments of the imaginations of the mediums.
Disclosure may happen, but it will happen on their terms. Currently, we are a science project. No different than scientists who tag and watch apes in the congo.
Do yourself a huge favor, seek truthful channels to understand this phenomenon. Things like alien spaceships? They’re real, I’ve seen them. But, they’re not these guys. Remain skeptical. These predictions will never come true, because they’re not based in the real world. Try to understand these topics through the real, tangible universe–and you will become closer to finding the truth that we all seek.