Questions have arisen recently on various aspects of Ascension. Some concern the differences in interpretation between Matthew Ward and Archangel Michael. Others center around where we go if we ascend early, what disappearance means, whether we can revisit 3D, what changes on the physical level, etc. Let me give the questions first and then the answers second. In all cases, these are my best understandings at this moment. They may change with further study or guidance.
I hasten to add that I have the utmost respect for Matthew Ward and am not troubled by differences in interpretation or by not knowing the answers to many questions that spring from the differences of opinion between MW and AAM.
> The message sent to the group re St Germain’s Blog says if we ascend we will disappear. Steve has explained that if we ascend we stay with Earth, and that those who don’t want to ascend will be the ones to go.
> I’ve thought about it a lot, and it might be that if we disappear it is because we become of a different rate of vibrations, so others who
are not of that rate of vibrations cannot see us, but we are still here.
> But i just can’t get my thoughts around these questions and arrive at an answer.
I took two passes at the first question. Here is the first pass.
“Disappearing” refers to those people who ascend early. They will “disappear” from Third-Dimensional Earth and find themselves in the Fifth Dimension, which is already forming.
When the Third-Dimensional Earth ascends, there won’t be a discussion of some people disappearing because everyone who is going to ascend will go along with the Earth to the Fifth Dimension and no Earth presence will continue in the Third Dimension to make note of disappearances. Or if you prefer to look at it from another perspective, everything and everyone on the Third Dimension will disappear at the same time.
Archangel Michael referred to the matter in one of his recent interviews. I asked him whether Matthew Ward was right that no one would disappear and he surprised me by saying, no, that was not correct. People would disappear and he even named three days during this year when people would disappear or ascend: Oct. 28, Nov. 11, and Dec. 12. He said it might not be on those exact days, but it would be as a result of the tremendous energy that we are building up because we ourselves consider those days special. The Company of Light are doing all they can to further or accomodate these early ascensions.
Those that ascend on those dates will “disappear” from 3D Earth and appear on the 5D landscape. That is what the word “disappear” refers to.
I wasn’t sure I had answered the question directly enough and so I returned to the matter. Here is the second answer:
I reread your question and think I may have missed out parts. So let me respond a second time.
The message sent to the group re St Germain’s Blog says if we ascend we will disappear.
If we ascend to 5D early, we will disappear from 3D. True. If we ascend with the Earth to 5D, then 3D Earth will cease to exist and so there will be nowhere we “disappear” from, so to speak.
Steve has explained that if we ascend we stay with Earth.
If we ascend early, we may or may not stay with Earth. In fact, no matter when we ascend, we may or may not stay with Earth. We may have decided at a higher level of our being that we will return to Arcturus or Sirius. In all cases, however, we will be escorted to our destination. (I discuss this at more length below.)
and that those who don’t want to ascend will be the ones to go.
And those who don’t want to ascend upon the final Ascension date will transition to the astral planes, where they will rest and relax a while, and then receive their new assignments. For them it will be no different than a regular transition or “death.” If you mean that the Earth will ascend to 5D and so the ones who reject Ascension will “go” from the Earth, yes, I suppose that is correct.
I’ve thought about it a lot, and it might be that if we disappear it is because we become of a different rate of vibrations, so others who are not of that rate of vibrations cannot see us…
Being of a higher rate of vibration when we enter the Fifth Dimension, we will disappear to people who remain in the Third Dimension, yes. But they will be visible to us.
… but we are still here.
If by “here” you mean the Third Dimensions, we aren’t “here” completely. We can (1) visit and (2) reassemble a temporary body that allows us to spend time here, just as the Fifth-Dimensional galactics will do with us when they visit 3D and like those of us who return as masters to help with Ascension will do after ascending early.
If by “still here” you mean that we still live on 3D, no. We permanently reside in 5D and can visit 3D for periods of time.
The next question concerns differences in the explanations provided by Matthew Ward and AA Michael.
> There are still at least 2 areas of confusion that I see:
> 1. Matthew has said the we won’t see any difference day to day.
> a. That, to me seems to indicate that ascension is a process, not
> an event, and will result in a fairly long (several years) transition.
> b. Others are treating ascension like an event happening at
> different times for different people, but still very quickly with most
> ascending on or about 12/21/12. That scenario rather implies that
> ascension is just a rapid change in consciousness with no outside physical changes, and we create the reality of the Golden Age in the
> years that follow.
> Both those scenarios make sense to me and seem possible.
> 2. What does not make sense is:
> a. some ascending early eg. 11/11/11, and disappearing. Where do they go?
> b. If ascension is an event that happens all at once for Earth and the majority of those who are coming along, what, if anything changes on the physical level (homes, cities, land, etc)? (In 1.b above, I assumed no physical changes; here I am opening the door for physical changes and asking what they might be.)
I’m afraid my answer will need to be lengthy and I apologize.
First of all, let me say that Matthew and others like Archangel Michael, but not limited to him, disagree on (1) disappearance or no disappearance, (2) gradual or sudden Ascension, and (3) immediate destination (4th or 5th Dimensions).
Matthew says there will be no disappearances, but Archangel Michael says there will be – and he cites Oct. 28, Nov. 11, and Dec. 12 as examples of dates on which people may leave early and disappear in the process.
Matthew says Ascension will be gradual and AA Michael says it will be sudden. Matthew says our destination, at least temporarily, will be 4D and AA Michael says, no, it will be 5D. Matthew says we won’t disappear and AAM says we will. I was as taken aback as anyone when AAM disagreed with Matthew.
Here is how AAM has described Ascension to me:
Archangel Michael: There is a moment when the door opens. So it is a — has been and is a – gradual awakening. You have seen the changes mentally, physically, emotionally; interconnectedness; the shift in the collective. But there is that moment when it clicks. So it is a moment. Actually, it is a period of about 20 to 24, 26 hours.
S: What are you describing, Lord, a moment? Is it an opening of a portal or a change in vibration, or…? What — is it possible to put into words?
AAM: It is a change in the entire collective vibration within which Earth, Gaia and everything upon it comes together. It comes together — In a different vibration. So it is not like going through a portal. …
But there is a moment, what we think of as a moment, which for you feels more like a day or so. There is a moment when it is harmonized all together. …
S: And there’s questions like, are there three days of darkness, and…. People are wanting to know what the shift entails. Do I get up physically and move to another location? Do I — does the Earth disappear behind me in 3D and the Earth open up in 5D? They don’t know what to expect.
AAM: No, you don’t. Think of it as blinking. Have you ever blinked and the room seems brighter all of a sudden? This happens all the time in your meditation. It is like a blink. The Earth has already done most of her transition.
And a great deal of the Earth changes that you witness are actually helping the collective souls, the humans, to adjust as well. So it is more like a blink. You may have the experience of physicality — for that is part of the joy of being on this Earth — if you want to. It is a shift in potential of how you operate and how everything…. So it is as if all at once there is a cleanup crew. And what is swept away, what is swept away, my beloved one, is the remnants of the fear, of the hatred, of the darkness.
In that moment, what we are calling a moment, there is a choice. Do you want — and it can happen instantaneously, because so many of you have laid the foundation — do you want to be in the heart of one of love? Do you wish to be in the higher frequency? In the very last second, all they need to say is yes, and allow themselves to be flooded by what you can think of as a tidal wave of energy that will sweep the planet. That is why we say all are invited.
Now, if they choose not, that is all right. It is sad. But they do not need, there is no requirement for them to continue to exist in a different frequency of the planet. But let us be clear, and this is where fear arises amongst people, they cannot stay. So there will be those who choose to leave.
AAM: Yes, that is what I mean. Understand, 3D Earth, it is not existing.
S: Any longer, after that moment?
AAM: [Describing 5D:] You can have the experience of being in 3D [in 5D]. Of — think of it as living somewhere and projecting and having an on-stage experience. So you can have the 3D experience, but the 3D experience is not including all the old paradigms, the duality.
S: What is it including?
AAM: It [that is, 5D] is including a physical reality of love, the physical embodiment of joy, of the incredible experience of diversity, of interconnectedness, of love, of community. It is the restoration of what was always intended.
S: Now, it sounds like you’re talking about the 5D Earth.
AAM: That is correct.
S: What about — for the people who say “no”? Will they remain on this 3D Earth, or will they find themselves somewhere else?
AAM: They will find themselves elsewhere.
S: And will they find themselves elsewhere as babies, or as they are now?
AAM: They will return home. They will return out of body.
S: To the astral planes?
AAM: Yes. And they will be counseled and then reassigned as they choose.
S: And there will be no one on this Earth? Or will this Earth exist?
AAM: Oh, no, it will exist [in 5D]. (1)
He returned to the subject in a later reading and added this as well:
Archangel Michael: In much of your history or literature — and I do include sacred books in that — ascension is also related to a keeping of some kind of physicality and form. Now, some will choose not to do that [i.e., some will choose to transition to the Astral Planes and ascend from there], and that is fine. But that is a choice.
But let us talk about you. Let us use you as an example. Because you have done your very deep work, and your heart is committed to this path for many, many years, there will be that sense of blissful connection that you have experienced a couple of times, but it will be even more so.
The sense will be that you are flying upward. It is a physical sensation of movement. And a remembering, or a sensation of remembering, that you have wings, or the ability to fly. So that is the feeling of ascending up the sacred spiral.
There will also be in that period, which can be moments or a few hours, [a sensation] of feeling disassociated, that even if you were to open your eyes, even if you were to look at a floor, you would see that it is simply made of particles, subatomic particles, quantum particles, that it is not solid. So you have begun immediately to have the real sensation or vision of how things can be seen, and how they are seen, maybe, from this side.
So there is a sense of unreality. Now, if you wish to make things solid, you will just simply say that you want that, and it will appear. But the knowing that that is simply a construct that you are creating already is there in full consciousness. When you decide to open your eyes, how you see the colors, the textures, the richness, the air, will be very different. What you think of as your senses will be heightened, oh, at least a thousand-fold.
So, there is a little adjustment. And we are with you, and we obviously take care of that, because this is completely a joyous situation to be in. Think of it as being spiritually orgasmic. It is the union of all.
Then, you will settle into this knowing, and of course that choice of physicality. But also know that if you choose to keep physicality, immediately what you have noted as, what we would call human aches and pains are gone. But the biggest shift is you no longer live or exist — you can visit, you can exhibit, but you do not live — within the third dimension, where you are in that movement of what you think of as going up the sacred spiral.
That is the best analogy I can give you. It is the elevator to the Fifth [Notice that AA Michael says here the Fifth Dimension]. And further, there will be some who simply choose to keep going [to dimensions higher than the Fifth]. But as a collective, that is the plan.
And it will be the place of love. It will be all of a sudden that the decisions, the actions, the existence, the form is love, and is from love, and is of love. So that sense of either/or, of what you traditionally have thought of as yes or no, of duality, of polarity, is gone. It is the alignment. The entire journey in this third-dimensional existence is reaching this place of alignment, of placing yourself beyond the either/or. And when you are doing that in this ascension process, it is like a Roman candle: off you go.
[Steve: So once we are aligned and out of either/or, off we go.]
Now, you say, well, what about those around me? What about the physical world? And the ability to create and co-create, not only with us, but with each other, is very strong in this new reality that is as ancient as eternity. So there will be shifting, there will be shifting of what you choose to construct.
Now, it is not to say that you arrive in the fifth and it is a completely blank slate. There will be what you need there. But what you desire, or need, or believe you need, you will create. And the feeling, the belief that density and structure is the foundation of existence will not be part of that belief system, that reality. (2)
So, according to AAM, the Earth will cease to exist in 3D after this “moment” of Ascension. We’ve heard numbers of people say that the Earth already has a presence in 5D. AAM says its presence in 3D will cease after this “moment” of Ascension.
So that to me sounds sudden, not gradual.
“You can of course ascend at any time,” (3) SaLuSa has told us. We could, he said, choose to be among the souls who “set their sights on rapid evolution.” (4) In 2008, he made the cryptic statement that “it is possible to lift yourselves out of the lower vibrations now, by focusing upon all that is wholesome and in balance with the Light.” ( 5)
He also said that early Ascension would be unusual: “Whilst individual Ascension is possible at any time, it is an unusual event only achieved by greater Beings who have dedicated themselves to rising up into the Light.” (6)
Our sources have only been saying that the Earth has a 5D presence recently. Let’s look at the early waves of Ascension in 1987 and 1991 that AAM has referred to in the same message I just cited. With them it seems safer to say that they probably did not ascend to a 5D Earth.
I think the trap we may get ourselves in is to think that people can ascend only to 5D Earth. No, people can ascend to existing 5D settings of many kinds – other planets or even spaceships. Some Starseeds may even return home.
Perhaps the missing piece for people when they consider these events is that they believe that people, when they ascend to another dimension, do so alone. They mysteriously leave here through some mystical process and find themselves … heaven knows where.
All Ascensions I have read about have featured an escort.
If you read Julia Ames’ description of her Ascension here (7), you’ll see that she was escorted by an angel. If you read the account of Disciola’s Ascension here (8) or Balaram Bose’s Ascension in that same place, you’ll see that in both instances, they were escorted – Disciola by AA Michael and Balaram by Sri Ramakrishna, an avatar. The prophet Elijah was escorted.
So you are not left to flounder, but rather you are escorted to your new destination. That is one function that angels serve – to escort the worthy to a new dimension.
Not all Ascensions see us take the body with us. Julia Ames, Disciola, and Balaram Bose left their bodies behind. Elijah ascended physically. Probably Jesus did as well.
Here is an account of a man ascending in the afterlife, from the Astral Plane (4D) to the Mental Plane (5D). He leaves his spirit body behind. Here T.E. Lawrence describes the man’s last minutes:
T.E. Lawrence: “The end came suddenly. I called on [Dr. G.] and was told that he was sleeping. We stood around and watched his still form and the light which waxed and waned there. In a breathtaking second the change came. The light gathered itself together and burnt itself to a keen thought of light so intense and inward that we gasped and turned aside. Then it had gone and only a wraith of our friend remained which shrank away and disappeared as we watched.” (9)
So his body rapidly disintegrated and returned to the ethers. But that is on the afterlife planes and he did not take his own body with him, as we will. I give this description just to show you that Ascension is a regular phenomenon in the afterlife. In general, people, “dead” or alive, regularly ascend – but not often. It is routine, but not common.
People regularly return to the Astral Plane (4D) and tell us about the higher life:
Monsignor Robert Hugh Benson: “We know that when we pass into a higher realm we shall be happier still. We have not yet enjoyed that experience, but those of our friends who have already mounted to a more exalted realm are continually returning to visit us and to tell us of the greater happiness which they are now enjoying, happiness which they did not think possible, and to speak of the greater perfection in their new realms of things which already seemed perfect to them.” (10)
Unidentified teacher through Betty Bethards: “[People in the afterlife] can always visit the planes below them [just like] many times they will have teachers visiting them from higher planes and attending to their needs.” (11)
As for what changes, well, if you mean by that that you think that our houses will ascend, etc., no, nothing physical like that will go with us. You may then say that there will be trees and grass and houses on 5D Earth. Yes, but I presume those will have been crafted by the spirits charged with preparing the setting for us. Here is John Heslop referring to the process whereby higher beings create the new worlds in higher dimensions. I’ll leave in the rest of the quote too, because the whole matter may be of interest:
John Heslop: “Many of the higher spheres and interior states have originated by the combined thoughts of Exalted Beings from Higher Worlds and none are permitted to enter them until they have been purified and are advanced in Spiritual perception. But those who by Prayer, Faith, and especially Love, have their feet firmly planted on the right road while still on earth, rise rapidly from sphere to sphere.” (12)
Now let’s look at SaLuSa who says we can’t take physical things with us:
SaLuSa: “The old creations of yours are unable to be carried forward, so consequently there is much to do by way of transmutation. Nothing is totally destroyed, but simply changes its form to be used again. Matter is created and re-created over and over again and never wasted. As creators yourselves you will take greater responsibility for your creations, but at the same time you will rise in consciousness and will exercise good sense and wisdom in your work.” (13)
“Nothing that you currently own will have any value or need to travel with you. All that you require is yours for the asking, and you will eventually exercise your power of thought to create exactly what you want.” (14)
“You cannot take anything with you and it is totally unnecessary, as all that you will need will be provided. In fact your needs will be considerably less, as you will experience the joys of having a new body. It will be lighter and more of energy rather than physicality. Consequently much of your bodily input will come directly from the energy around you. Also with an ever-healthy body you will not need to replenish it as you do now. Since you will eventually create through the power of thought, you will not be wanting for anything at all.” (15)
To summarize, as I believe (and it is just a belief): We disappear when we ascend; we ascend quickly, in a “moment.” We are escorted. We go to any of a number of possible destinations in 5D – Earfth if we ascend with the Earth, other planets or ships, depending on what arrangement are made. We take nothing with us (OK, our clothing which we create with our minds instantaneously).
So I hope I have answered your question(s), but let me know if some remain(s).
(1) “Reading with Archangel Michael, Aug. 1, 2011,” Aug. 3, 2011, at http://goldenageofgaia.com/2011/08/reading-with-archangel-michael-august-2-2011-part-1/
(2) “Archangel Michael on NESARA, Opposing the Cabal, and Ascension – Part 2/3,” Oct. 3, 2011, at http://goldenageofgaia.com/2011/10/archangel-michael-on-nesara-opposing-the-cabal-and-ascension-part-23/
(3) SaLuSa, Dec. 16, 2009, at http://www.treeofthegoldenlight.com/First_Contact/Channeled_Messages_by_Mike_Quinsey.htm
(4) SaLuSa, May 4, 2009.
(5) SaLuSa, Dec. 19, 2008.
(6) SaLuSa, Sept. 7, 2009.
(9) T.E. Lawrence through Jane Sherwood, medium, Post-Mortem Journal. Communications from T.E. Lawrence. London: Spearman, 1964 78-9.
(10) Monsignor Robert Hugh Benson through Anthony Borgia, medium, Here and Hereafter. San Francisco: H.G. White, 1968 (dictated in 1957), 82.
(11) Unnamed spirit teacher through Betty Bethards, medium, There is No Death. Novato, CA: Inner Light Foundation, 1976; c1975, 18.
(12) John Heslop through F. Heslop, medium, Further Messages Across the Border-Line. A Continuation of “Speaking Across the Border-Line.” London: Charles Taylor, n.d. , 9. [Hereafter FMABL.]
(13) John Heslop, FMABL, 9.
(14) SaLuSa, Oct. 29, 2010.
(15) SaLuSa, Oct. 8, 2010.