One of the mistakes in judgment we’re liable to make as we meet people from other civilizations is to proceed on the basis of loose generalizations. They make our work easier but they may also lead us astray from the truth.
Here’s a case in point.
The conventional wisdom for some people is that all reptilians are dark extraterrestrials. In fact, not all members of any line of evolution are negative.
Neither are all members of any line of evolution necessarily light-bearing. Just think of how non-human species on this planet might regard us. We eat many of them. What does that make us in their eyes? Dark perhaps?
We worry that others will eat us while we eat other species.
Matthew Ward attempted to dispel the notion that all members of an evolutionary line could be dark by introducing his readers to Horiss, a light-bearing individual from a service-to-others reptilian civilization. The picture to the left is not of Horiss, but an imaginative recreation of a reptilian human.
In order, then, to invite us to question some of our cherished beliefs about extraterrestrials, I offer Suzy Ward’s conversation with Horiss, recorded originally in 2003. In it, Horiss discusses the round of life in his civilization.
Note the fact that Matthew says he met Horiss at a conference in Nirvana, which is Matthew’s term for “Heaven” or the other side of life. Apparently, beyond the Third Dimension, there is no impediment to spirits and galactics interacting with each other; the impediment only seems to exist between us in the Third Dimension and spirits, who live in higher dimensions.
I follow David Wilcock’s style of calling Horiss a “reptilian human” rather than Matthew’s of calling him a “reptilian.” You remember David saying on Kees de Graaff’s video that some civilizations reach the human form by mammalian lines, some by reptilian, some by insect, bird, plant lines, etc.? (1)
Matthew Ward: There is the misconception that all [reptilians are] Illuminati…, and that is not so. Just as humans can be “good” or “bad,” most simply speaking, so can reptilians, and within the Illuminati are “bad” of both species. Also, just as there are many different human civilizations in the universe, there are many different reptilian civilizations, and those in one world don’t necessarily know about their counterparts in other worlds.
The primary difference between the human and reptilian species is DNA-related—speaking only generally, reptilians’ intelligence and physical strength are superior to most humans and their emotional spectrum and spiritual clarity are less developed.
Mother, please copy Horiss’ conversation with you that is in one of the books. I believe readers will enjoy learning about one of the civilizations that has been assisting Earth directly from one of its representatives.
S: Matthew, hello dear! Am I right or am I imagining that a reptilian commander (in the light!) will be giving a message for the book? That was my waking thought.
MATTHEW: You are right, Mother, and I am pleased to introduce Horiss, one of the commanders I met several years ago at a conference in Nirvana [Matthew’s name for “Heaven.”]. He has been given permission by the Council to give a message for the book. That double “s” in his name indicates the best English sound, which does have a long soft “s” sound at the end, but please don’t associate this with the hiss of a snake! In the language of his people, the various sounds of the names have a quality that is pleasing to hear. Now, please welcome Horiss.
S: Greetings, Horiss.
HORISS: My very warm greetings to you, Madam. I have been told that I may address you informally, but if you will, please grant me the favor to address you more formally as I will be more comfortable speaking that way.
S: I want you to be completely comfortable, and Madam is fine.
HORISS: Thank you. It is known by some of your people that certain of my civilization are fearsome creatures that have been causing all manner of evil upon your world for endless time. We are not proud of that truth, and I have been requested to speak on behalf of our greater numbers who equally oppose the influence of those dark members. We, too, think of them as dark because of their actions, and we are in combat with them to rid their influence on your planet and all the rest of this part of the universe.
It is possible that of all who oppose their darkness, we are the most vehement because their actions reflect upon us as a total civilization. Those members are not in the majority and are not representative of the rest of us and it is not how we wish to be portrayed. Please let me advertise to your world the nature of the rest of us. Thank you.
Without intending to sound vain, I tell you that our intelligence level exceeds that of many other civilizations that also are advanced intellectually and technologically beyond you. We are less advanced spiritually than many civilizations that have not progressed to our stage of mental development.
We are endeavoring to bring more enlightenment throughout our civilization and one pursuit of attainment in this respect is joining with others in light forces to subdue and then eliminate the dark reptilian influence.
All souls in this universe derive from the same One Source, Creator, which makes all of us inseparable aspects of Creator and each other. God has told you that He is the amalgamation of all souls in this universe and loves all in equal amount. I say God to you, Madam, because that is your name for the ruler of this universe. That equality of love is true from our experience, as we first petitioned to God to eliminate these most foul of our brothers from this universe. He has no authority to do this and likewise, no desire, because all subsequent soul aspects of those original ones are indeed elements of God.
The darkest souls of my civilization entered this universe from another in an energy blending of the two universes that was meant to be mutually advantageous by a sharing of light to advance spiritual clarity. Some souls resisted this opportunity and now in this universe, they have become God’s responsibility to bring light into them. That makes it our responsibility to fight against their continuance in darkness.
Madam, am I going too quickly for you?
S: No, Horiss. All that red is typing mistakes and I’ll correct them later. But I’d like to ask a question. Were the dark souls that entered this universe the original reptilians or did your civilization exist here and they chose to enter it?
HORISS: I like your question, Madam! What entered was the soul energy with dark thought forms attached. It is not only the reptilian civilization in this universe that this kind of soul energy entered, but it is primarily this one. They were attracted to it through the universal law of like attracts like, and the attraction on this end was our civilization’s inclination to see strength in maintaining powerful defense forces of great military might. The souls with darkness that are influencing Earth humans are the reptilians that have made clear to other belligerent souls that Earth is solely their territory in this conquest. …
The most effective way of eliminating the dark reptilians is by creating more light in this universe to the extent that their souls either will be infiltrated with it or they will leave here to flee from that possibility. No, I do not know where they would go as I do not know about conditions in other universes or if they can enter any without permission. That is why we are endeavoring to bring light to them here and now.
Light is missing from those souls and they believe it will destroy them if they are in contact with it. It is their fear of that which motivates them to fight the light everywhere they see it. The light would fill them with the en-LIGHT-enment they lack, not destroy them, but they do not believe this and so they continue their battle against it.
I would like to describe to you the light ones of the reptilians. Because you associate that name with your animal reptiles and have little affection for those, it is easy for you to picture us in those forms. We are not in those forms unless we desire to make them, which we don’t, because those forms would be too confining for the movement and functioning we desire. We are at a level of intelligence where we can make any forms we design.
You have been told that the dark reptilians on your planet look just like any other human, so you know that all of us have that capability. It may be either pleasant or unpleasant for you to know that some of us with lighted souls also are there, and quite a number of you are genetically crossbred human and reptilian.
Madam, your jolting energy leads me to ask if you would like to comment.
S: No, thank you, Horiss. Well—yes. Obviously you saw my monitor with all the red lines. Are you here in spirit or maybe even etheric body?
HORISS: Neither, Madam. I am able to see you distinctly from my homeland. At this moment I am in my “office,” as a comparative term for your business management place. However, I do like your asking as it gives me this opportunity to mention that this ability to see at a vast distance is enabled by the likeness of energy bonding, which also facilitates your clearly hearing my words.
I shall add that if I wished to be present in your office, I could be there in a twinkling either in spirit only or in a body that I would materialize. I would not choose to do this as I believe that a solid form abruptly appearing in any style configuration, even one familiar to you, would not be a comfortable experience for you.
S: I think you are right, Horiss—I wouldn’t be prepared for that. Please continue.
HORISS: Very well. Matthew has told you that we respect military power and do not hold much respect for a civilization that differs with that. He told you that some years back in linear time. In the universal “time,” some of us are in higher stages of spiritual alignment and that higher evolved contingency of the “future” is helping us “in the present” to abandon that outlook.
What our “present” members have believed is that the power of large forces is necessary to prevent invasions of dark-minded souls whose method of conquest is with military force. My people in majority nature are not invaders, but defenders. Now we are seeing that the greater light being generated throughout the universe is diminishing the areas under dark control, and this enables us to reduce our defense outlook accordingly.
You ask other civilizations’ representatives about their people and I am eager to have you know more about my people. When I say “my people,” I do not mean that we are representative of all reptilian populations any more than Earth humans are representative of all human populations in the universe. I am speaking now only of the people residing in my world.
We reside on a planet in this galaxy that is as near my solar system’s sun as Earth is near Sol. We use the energy of our sun much more efficiently than you use the energy of Sol. Instead of your various forms of power generation, all of ours derive from our sun. Yours also can, and as you progress in awareness of this, that will come about.
Also, there is no pollution from any source anywhere on the planet, not on the landmasses nor in the seas, due to our technology that prevents such contamination rather than makes an effort to clean it up.
Our home planet is called Lacone [lah-cone’, with the accent on the second syllable and a soft “nnn” sound]. It is as large as Uranus, to make a comparison that still is beyond your perception, but that tells you it is much larger than Earth, and it is about the same density of Earth in form and substance.
We do not have the variety of natural beauty as does Earth, and which Earth itself no longer has as formerly due to destruction in many areas. Our cities are larger than your largest. That is the temperament and choice of most of us, and the union of ideas and desires focused upon the same goal manifested large, then larger population centers.
The appearance my people has chosen when we are at home or visiting other advanced civilizations is as I appeared in Nirvana, when I met Matthew. Male and female forms and features are much alike and with little variation in any. We do not have a mixture of races as you do and which creates the great variety in your appearances, but that is not the reason we are so similar in ours.
Our collective choice is to look alike. Long ago we learned that differences in appearances can lead to prejudices and discriminations, and with our inclination to be a defensive people, we chose to eliminate elements over which we had control so that civil conflicts would not arise to weaken us.
To describe us, we are of a height not dissimilar to your average height, but we are uniformly slender except our females who are bearing children. The skin tone is pale blue-gray, which is pleasing to us although it is unlikely that you would find it so. Our most distinctive features are our eyes, which are large and dark.
I know Matthew told you that they are so dark that you cannot see into our souls, but now he knows that is not so as he has evolved greatly since our first meeting several years back. To be more accurate, he is a highly evolved soul and through self-discovery has eliminated the layers of non-understanding that come with indoctrination of erroneous information and subsequent opinions or beliefs.
Our education is in line with our advanced intelligence and every soul is in the learning system from birth until the move onward, what you call death, or transition. It is our intense desire for learning that has allowed us to give a back seat to spiritual development, and that is changing.
Emphasis upon learning is as great, but now the mental is more balanced with the increased desire for spiritual, which is another kind of learning. It is the self-discovery I mentioned that removes layers of indoctrination and allows the opening of the truth of this universe and of Creator’s laws that govern here along with God’s laws about the order of celestial bodies and other such activity that is unique to this universe.
Our children are conceived and born in the same manner as yours, but their intelligence at birth permits speaking soon afterwards and fine motor skills to develop immediately. So at a very young age, about five years in your time calculation but with maturity commensurate with your adults, they no longer are dependent upon parents for protective attention and guidance. It is the love of family that bonds us and results in our children staying close to home long after they are self-sufficient.
Madam, what else may I tell you?
S: Anything else that describes your life and your world!
HORISS: My! I welcome this! Very well, to describe the planet further, there are many similarities to Earth, such as great differences in elevation, large seas, many forests and plants, barren areas of rocks and sand. Earth is more vibrant in its unspoiled places than our planet and has a greater variety of colors. Nevertheless, this is completely satisfying or we would make changes to more greatly please us.
You have in your mind structures, so I will tell you that our buildings could be considered sterile in comparison with the many styles and shapes you have built. Our preference is what you would call ultramodern, I believe, with little variation in style overall but of course, considerable variation in sizes in accordance with usage. Homes are decorated simply in keeping with the austerity of surroundings, and our choice of attire also is plain.
Perhaps from my skeleton outline, I am giving the impression that we are an austere, harsh people in feelings. This is the sensation I am picking up from you, Madam. While it is true that we are serious-minded and are not given to “frills,” we are not without warm feelings. Our children are as precious to us as yours are to you, and our mates are the same. We are a monogamous people.
Mates are judiciously selected and know each other very well before aligning as partners, thus separations rarely happen except by the death of one. We enjoy levity and many forms of entertainment in which a whole family is participating, so you know that the sources of amusement are suitable for even the youngest minds. Music is important to my people, and none of it is blaring and discordant noise.
We are well informed on events in many civilizations besides our own. Earth is of special interest to us, just as it is to many other civilizations of individuals and of collective souls, but it is by no means a self-serving interest. My people want the banishment of the dark influence on Earth to be replaced by peaceful means of living among all of Earth’s inhabitants, and not to bring to you another source of troublemaking.
Our military might in numbers and technology could subdue yours in a day, as a description of our capability. However, ours is solely a defense force, and its purpose to defend rather than invade is the vital element of difference between our two worlds. This is further proof of our warm feelings, which extend to civilizations beyond our own.
I see “government” in your thought. Our planetary form of government could be compared with Greek city states of your history. Not the warring with each other, but the equitable and benevolent rule within each state is the basis of our planetary ruling body. We have the advantage of one language and telepathy, which provides clarity of expression and promotes honest communication among all the population. Smaller bodies govern large districts as this is more orderly and efficient in a world this size with a population of more than 20 billion.
Madam, do you have a question?
S: Would you like to mention the kinds of industries and other employment?
HORISS: Yes, thank you. For our strong defense force, we need industries to provide weaponry and space vehicles and all supporting services, so we have what I will call factories even though you would not recognize them as such because of the technology of their production equipment. As my people ease from the stance of maintaining military might, there will be a transition from this type of production to others. This is in the planning stages.
Our emphasis upon education makes that one of the largest fields of employment. We have computerized education along with tutorial forms to present opportunities for our children to specialize in areas of their greatest interest and aptitude. This is equally available to our adults who wish to change from one specialty field to another.
Studies are of our homeland history as well as the history of many other civilizations, and of course, all branches of science as it is in its authentic universal form. What you call “the arts” are of great importance to us, and I feel your surprise, Madam, although already I have mentioned fine music. Painting, sculpture, dance and poetry have significant meaning to us as an entire civilization. Parts of your own are threadbare in these necessities of soul expression.
Construction of buildings is by solid materials rather than manifestation by focusing on images. Although we could do that, and sometimes for expediency do so, my people find greater satisfaction in using their hands to form materials into desired structures and objects. This kind of productivity is a good balance to the concentration upon academic learning that everyone pursues. We respect the need for balance in our lives.
We have many employed in making and maintaining computer systems. I could boast of our advanced systems but boastfulness is not in our nature. It need not be as the condition of our world speaks for itself. However, I can tell you that our systems are at a development level that a word, even a thought, starts and stops operations and desired input or outflow are accurate and complete.
S: That is an advanced system! Horiss. You mentioned “death,” so I would like to ask about the ordinary longevity of your people, and do you have a sanctuary realm that would be similar to our Nirvana?
HORISS: I did say “death” and only as a term of ease. The physical shell of us gets used up by deterioration of cells or by combat wounds, but we know there is no death—the soul has lived from the Beginning. But longevity in the physical shell when not cut short by combat is about 200 years. That is our “present” DNA programming, and it will change as we reach higher spirituality levels where physical shells can live much longer with full functioning abilities.
I do not intend debasement of our bodies by the reference to “physical shell.” It is important that we have robust health to maintain combat fitness, and we do that, but I meant to make a clear delineation between the far lesser importance of our bodies as compared to our respect for our souls.
In keeping with that respect, we do have a sanctuary realm that is commensurate with our planetary population’s advancement intellectually. That realm also is rising in emphasis upon spiritual understanding and attunement. I discussed this with Matthew at the time we met in Nirvana, and his sound suggestions for treating our most psychically damaged souls have been implemented with great success.
Madam, may I answer anything else?
S: Horiss, is there anything else you would like to say to the people of Earth?
HORISS: Yes, thank you. As a summary of the intentions of my people, it is this: We do not often speak of our convictions and our nature. We live by them. At heart we are warm, peaceful, respectful and helpful, and that is what we look forward to showing you one of these days, when you are ready to welcome “strangers.”
S: I think that is a perfect way to end your message. Thank you for coming today and giving such interesting information about your people. I look forward to welcoming you, Horiss.
(1) “The human body shows up in the galaxy on every planet where life can form. It’s a natural evolution. Some might get there by an insect; some might get there by a lizard; some might get there by mammals like we do; some might get there by cetaceans; some might get there even by vegetation, apparently.” (David Wilcock, Project Camelot Interviews David Wilcock, Part 2 of 4)