Graham: On July 22, Clifford Stone was my guest on Our Galactic Family. Below is the transcript of the interview, thank you to Ellen. To listen to the archive, go to this link: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/inlight_radio
Clifford talks about how he came to know and work with extraterrestrials starting when he was 7 years old, and how they are here to help us. He shares an experience coming upon a crashed craft and its occupants, and how in another encounter he helped a star being escape from custody. He discusses how he communicates with them, and how they have stopped missile launches. We discuss spirituality, ET technology, unity consciousness, multidimensions, universal love, time travel, and more.
Our Galactic Family with Clifford Stone, July 22, 2012
Graham Dewyea: Hello, and welcome to Our Galactic Family. I’m Graham Dewyea.
My guest today is Retired US Army Sergeant Clifford Stone who served for 22 years in the Army and was a member of a top secret UFO crash recovery operation. His role included serving as an interface between the government and extraterrestrial visitors.
Clifford is the author of two books — UFOs are Real: Extraterrestrial Encounters Documented by the US Government, and Eyes Only: The Story of Clifford Stone and UFO Crash Retrievals.
Welcome to the show.
Clifford Stone: Thank you, sir.
GD: You’ve spent many years working to raise awareness about the government extraterrestrial cover-up and have been working diligently to get the word out that we’re not alone in the universe. And in fact, the extraterrestrials that are present today are very much benevolent and trying to help us out.
This has not been an easy road for you. You’ve been threatened; your family has been affected. Why have you been so committed to this work?
CS: Well, I believe it’s necessary. I’ve researched the records — the key word here is researched — the records of many of the governments that have released files. And what a lot of people think is that Mexico has investigated UFOs, the United states has investigated UFOs, the British have investigated UFOs, Belgium has investigated UFOs, but in reality none of these countries have investigated UFOs. None of them!
Now, with that being said, is something going on behind the scenes? Yes. And I know this to be the case in the United States Government, and I know there’s been cooperation among other governments. But a good example, the ninth rendition of the British files has just been released. And there was a person that worked within DI 55 that was fighting to get a scientific investigation into UFOs. They finally got that. The report was finalized in 2000. It was classified Secret, UK Eyes Only, something like that, but along about 2007 they declassified it.
But, with that being said, he was making it clear there, all we do is file. We don’t investigate anything. And they had good cases in there that really reflected some type of physical craft being involved so much so that they asked the US Government were they making illegal flights of the quote, “Aurora aircraft,” unquote, and of course the US Government denied this.
GD: And for listeners that aren’t aware of the Aurora craft, perhaps you can describe that?
CS: Well, the Aurora craft was supposed to be a mach 3 or mach 4 experimental aircraft that they were working on to replace at the time the best spy-aircraft that we had, which at the time was the SR-71, which was going into retirement. Now, I can tell you, the drawings in the British files showing the craft they were shown looks very closely like RX-33, a hypersonic aircraft that NASA was working on. And very possibly they did have a prototype of that.
So, to say Aurora doesn’t exist is one thing. To say that something was not on the drawing board, may have even went to the point where they had a prototype that looked similar to what they were seeing in British skies — that’s a fact and you can download pictures of it off NASA website.
But, you know, being there, knowing they were taken more serious than what governments are taking them for, even the scientific study, from what I’m gathering right now by studying the British papers that was released, one of the questions that was asked, they requested the database for the report that the British did a summary in three volumes.
Well, the British put it this way: Question number five: The database was destroyed once the project ended. Only the reports remain. Had to stop to do some real work.
That’s telling me they really didn’t take it serious. It was, “Aw, God, do I have to do this?” So, but that report’s interesting, really, really interesting.
GD: So you …
CS: They have all these things that they — see, they even acknowledged there’s no cooperation among governments.
GD: And so you have taken it upon yourself to go in further, to do more research, to shine a light on this issue and raise awareness. You participated in a press conference with Dr. Steven Greer of the Disclosure Project and others at the National Press Club in 2001, and you said, quote, “The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence,” and that “the evidence has been denied to the American people.”
Do you see that the government cover-up, at least from the United States — other countries are starting to release more and more information — do you see that we’re going to be getting more information disseminated to the population this year? Do you see that disclosure is gearing up to happen this year?
CS: The only way that’s going to happen is if there is hard evidence, say DNA from a extraterrestrial source, or some hardware. Now, with that being said, every nation states they don’t have any of this. Yet within the US government files alone — not Bluebook, okay; outside of Bluebook — there are files that clearly indicate … like the CIA has a file where they did a field exploitation of an unidentified flying object in the Congo in the 1960s. The OSI files have case files where they have gone and in one instance even tried to retrieve from Mexico debris of objects that came from UFOs, and in instances even tried to go locations where UFOs were reported to have crashed.
Now, they had the Air Force Continental Intelligence Command who came in and said, “Thank you, OSI. We’ll take it from here.” Then they had the 4602nd Air Intelligence Service Squadron, that even under Bluebook, in accordance with Air Force Regulation 200-2, which controlled the investigation of UFOs, even said that you would report them to the detachment closest to you of the 4602nd. They would come in and tell OSI, “Thank you, we’ll take it from here.”
And in instances that makes it clear there was debris that was recovered, well, once it goes to wherever the 4602nd took the debris, which it doesn’t make it clear where they took it to, the object that was recovered, our Air Force Continental Intelligence Command, now all information ceases. Nothing comes out that says what it is.
One interesting case was where a meteor fell, crashed through a roof, hit a woman, injured her. And of course it was supposed to be a meteor. Well, a helicopter, at the direction of the 4602nd from the Air Rescue Squadron at the base, goes out, picks up the object, takes it back to the air base, turns it over to the representatives of the 4602nd, who fly it to Wright Patterson Air Force base — this is documented, what I’m telling you; I have the documents.
The husband comes home, he’s upset, he asks for it back, and they refuse to let him have it back. A month later they still haven’t gotten it back. He retains a lawyer, and they’re going to fight to try to get it back. To the best of my knowledge, based on the documentation that I have, that is from Air Force Office of Special Investigation files, the object was never returned, and to this day they refer to it as being a meteorite.
Well, first of all a meteorite falling through the roof isn’t going to fall through a roof of a house, hit a table, bounce off, hit the woman and bruise her. If it’s that massive, it’s going to come through the roof, go through the table, go through the floor, and leave an impact area. And if it’s a concrete floor and the [concrete and a little earth underneath?], or go through the floor and make a crater underneath the floor.
GD: Right. Right.
CS: But that’s just one instance. There’s many.
GD: Could we talk about your direct experience? You were involved with, if I understand correctly, roughly a dozen different crash sites starting in 1969, and the purpose was to obtain off-Earth technology for the benefit of military operations. You recovered craft and interfaced with extraterrestrials, some alive, some not, and your division cataloged 57 different races. You were able to communicate with these beings telepathically, and you could feel the emotions they were feeling.
And I understand that you’ve had this ability since you were a child. Before we get into the actual crashes and what you experienced, what … how … how far back, or how old were you when you were a child did you start to have encounters with extraterrestrials and were able to communicate with them?
CS: Well, I always like to say, you know, up to when I was about the age of six I was normal. I didn’t believe in the supernatural, I didn’t believe in ghosts, I didn’t believe in haunted houses, didn’t believe in UFOs — none of that. Then I had an experience when my aunt died. That right there’d be long to go into.
What I want to do is fast forward to where I started to have these playmates that, to me they looked like normal children. And they would even help me with my homework. However, you know, they would always caution me, “Don’t tell other people you’re seeing us, because they can’t see us.”
GD: They looked like normal kids?
CS: Oh, absolutely. And, you know, about my age. Anyhow, it wasn’t until I was about maybe seven years old, I found a little bird that fell out of its nest, and it had a broke beak, and it was bleeding. And I took it home and I held it under the faucet, trying to stop the blood. Of course, I drowned the bird. And that broke my heart, and I, you know, cried like I killed a person, you know, its mother and father’s going to miss it. And I did this.
So, all of a sudden one of the boys that looked like a normal kid to me came over to me, and all of a sudden I saw, this isn’t a kid. This entity stood about, oh, four and a half, five foot tall, and was looking very strangely at me, like, in a stressed, confused manner, even though, you know, the facial features were somewhat typically of a gray, only this entity had a greenish tinted skin. Said, why am I feeling what I’m feeling? “Why do you feel the way you feel? Why is it that you have these emotions over the death of one little bird?”
And I, for lack — I freaked out. I mean, all of a sudden, this wasn’t fun no more.
GD: This being was communicating with you telepathically?
CS: Yes. I mean, I was picking it all up. But it was just like you and I talking, only I was hearing it in my head. So, I’m quite sure — I don’t remember — but I’m quite sure I screamed and I took off running. And I go, I hid behind the sofa, because it was catacorney, in the corner, so there was an area in back of it. So I jumped behind there. And he showed up, says, “I really need an answer as to why this is.”
And I jumped out and I went, and there was this place between the refrigerator and the sink, and I hid there. And it was like this bony hand scratching me on the head, saying, you can run but you can’t hide.
My mom was in the hospital at the time, and my Aunt Win was taking care of me and my sister. And she made me sit in a chair. I kept, “You don’t understand. I can’t do this.” And she kept, “No, you’re going to sit there until you calm down. Why are you acting this way?”
And, you know, what am I going to tell my aunt? You know, I mean, I know whatever I say, no one’s going to believe it. So, eventually everything went back to normal, and I’m trying to sort it out.
Well, the next day I saw the boy again, and he told me, “Okay. We need to talk. Do not freak out, okay? You’re going to see me as I am. But remember, I’m the same, whether you see me in a human form or in my real form.”
GD: A this point you had developed a relationship and had known this being for at least a year, right?
CS: Oh, yeah. And there was approx … there were five. Five different entities, but they all seemed like kids. Two were female, three were boys.
GD: Did your sister experience them as well?
CS: There is a family member that I’m really close to that I think had experiences, and I tried to explain to them what I went through, they’re not going to have to worry about going through.
GD: Yeah. So …
CS: But I [ ? ] some of the experiences was just to make them understand that what I was saying, there was validity to it. It was more of confirmation than trying to take this person in.
GD: I see.
CS: But anyhow, this entity, …
GD: So, he …
CS: … he explained to me that, you know, “My civilization, and others out there, choose people from among your civilizations here on this world, to follow throughout life, to learn of your cultures, your ways, your likes, your dislikes, what you go though in life.”
And I asked something like what a child would say, “Well, can’t you go talk to someone like the President? He can tell you?” It don’t work that’a’way.
Governments don’t tell what the real picture is. They give what their perception of reality on this planet is like, what they believe among them and their peers. What we need to know is from people in everyday life, what it is really like for them.
So, I’m not the only one. There’s tens of thousands of people out there who haven’t even talked. The purpose of writing the book was to let those, what I call silence — silent experiencers, know they’re not alone. And it’s okay. They need to tell their families. They don’t have to tell no one else, but it’d be good.
GD: And was this part of a soul contract that you had arranged with your star brothers and sisters before incarnating on Earth, to say, okay, I’ll be a liaison with you?
CS: No, not that I know of.
CS: I even begged — when I was a kid, I begged my mom and dad, take me to a doctor, because I knew the doctor could make the monsters go away. It was no longer me, you know … when people said, oh, they’re your imaginary friends, no no. I knew the difference between imagination and reality. I knew these were not imaginary. Yet, I knew there was something kind of out of the norm.
But when this started to happen, then I was thinking, okay, something’s not right here, and if I go see a doctor, then all the fears I had … because there is fear there. I mean, you’re in an area of the unknown that you can’t share with nobody, because nobody’s going to believe you, not even your mother and father.
And I just wonder how many kids are out there telling their moms and dads the same story I’m telling you right now, and mom and dad are saying, “Oh, they’re only imaginary friends.” It may be! But talk to your children, because it may not be. So, anyhow …
GD: So, what did this being share with you?
CS: Well, he talked to me, you know, about things on his planet, how they go ahead, they have modes of travel, not like we have modes of travel here, how it’s very, very difficult to keep secrets, because if … you have to concentrate very hard because people can pick up on one another’s thoughts because that’s the way they talk, or that’s the way they communicate, they don’t have to talk.
But there is a way that they can maintain their privacy, and …
GD: So that’s unity consciousness?
CS: Oh, yes. And I said, “Well, you know, that must be horrifying. Everybody knows your thoughts.” He says, “No, no, no, no. It works well with you people, but within my society it doesn’t work that way.”
And I asked, well, you know, here people marry, they … and, okay, this is going to sound crazy, okay? But, you know, remember I’m from late 40, so in the 50s we really did believe that the stork brought the babies, okay? And I brought it up about, “Oh, the people get married, and they have this big bird they call a stork that brings kids, and I’m not sure where the kids come from. I think heaven.”
And he looked at me, “Is that what you truly believe?”
And I said, “Yeah. That’s the way it works.”
So, he explained to me the way it really worked in the same way that a father for the first time would try to explain to a child, right? And of course I was about eight years old at this time.
And I sat back, and I thought, “Okay, I’m never going to have kids. That isn’t going to happen.”
Oh, he explained how, you know, love is universal, that hate and anger … try to avoid it as much as possible, even though these are emotions that even his people have problems with. But, you know, he even hit up on it. If someone does something wrong, it makes you a bigger person if you forgive.
GD: Do you know where … what planet he was from, or what dimension?
CS: He’s from a planet that’s approximately 100 light years from planet Earth. It takes him an hour and forty minutes to get here from there traveling through what they, for lack of a better term, I call traversible wormholes. They manipulate space-time. They’re not traveling faster than the speed of light.
I do know when they manipulate space-time they’re actually traveling — now, this is going to be sounding crazy, because I don’t even know if it’s used in scientific jargon that they use now — but they call it hyper-dimensional. And the way that it’s explained to me, it’s like you’re traversing many other dimensions, but you have a guidance system that gets you from point A to point B with no problem.
So, but it’s important they come outside of — they re-enter our realm of reality outside of our atmosphere. Because if they enter inside, there’s a major release of energy, and it causes a very, very large sonic boom. And …
GD: I see.
CS: … it can travel — it can hit an area anywheres from 200 to 500 miles in diameter, depending on what their altitude is within our atmosphere. So, it’s very important that they enter our reality outside of the atmosphere, then enter our atmosphere. [ ? ]
GD: And you refer to them as fast walkers, right? When they’re doing this type of space travel?
CS: [ ? ] fast walkers. And the US Government really doesn’t want people to talk about fast walkers. I found that out the other day. But once again, what I have is not classified.
And I can tell you that since 1972 we have cataloged these objects that appear in near space outside of our atmosphere. We know that they’re outside of our atmosphere because they’re going too fast to be in our atmosphere. We know that they are objects because they’re reflecting light. One good example I have, 2010, we went ahead and we cataloged 187 fast walkers. Over 80 of those remained unidentified.
What we try to do is take those objects, and we try to go ahead and identify them against the space catalogs of known objects up there that is maintained by the US Air Force Space Command. And there are many objects every year that we do not, we cannot, identify. And we know them to be real objects.
But once again, we’re not concerned because the US Government, maintaining an open mind, knows that we cannot have been visited by UFOs because that evidence that is denied, the physical evidence, is picked up rapidly and quickly and kept [from?] only a small handful. And I was involved in doing that.
There are documents that refer to it. No one has to take my word for it. But when you go and you ask for that material that I know will show to be of extraterrestrial origin, they can’t find it. MoonDust, Blue Fly — those were two of the programs. And yes, we did recover objects of non-US origin that turned out to be Soviet. But we also had objects of unknown origin that did not originate on planet Earth. These objects at times had both living and dead entities. And …
GD: I’d like to get more to that detail with your crash recovery work, and also when you helped an extraterrestrial escape. But, if I might, could we go back to the discussion that you had as a child with this being? What else did he share with you?
CS: Well, he shared to me that they had communities…. We use money here. Well, they have a monetary system which was very hard for me to understand and even today to totally comprehend. It was like a credit system. You know, it wasn’t like our system, it wasn’t that you had rich people, poor people, middle class. But you had people who were actually contributing to society and doing things.
They had families. They had entertainment, and their movies was much better than our movies, ’cause we go to see three-dimensional, and I was it, what was it, Disneyworld, and I got to see what they were doing there, I guess it’s out on TV, on the movies now, but I haven’t been to the movies since ’97, so I can’t tell you if the 3D is that a way, like it was there. But it was like, you know, the pictures jumped right out at you, because it wasn’t the red and blue cellophane anymore, there are different types of glasses.
But their, like he had a little stone, a little gem I could hold in my hand. And with that little gem I could look and I could see a three-dimensional [ ? ] — you know, like it was animated, of his planet, of his family. I could see other things that he wanted me to see, or even what I wanted to see. And I had that until I showed it to one other person, then it was decided, this isn’t cool, you need to return that. Which I had to. But also …
GD: Did they share with you why they were on Earth and what their mission was?
CS: Back in the early days, they actually communicated with the ancient cultures. Now, they didn’t share advanced technology, like here’s how you make a rocket ship, here’s how you make an atomic bomb. But they showed them things of scientific curiosity. For example, they shared certain technologies with the Egyptians. Anybody that thinks that they just dreamed up how to make the pyramids and the Sphinx — that didn’t just happen. There were certain technologies, and it has to do a whole lot with mathematical probabilities that they shared with them.
And essentially what they did, they fired their imagination into thought by the instructions that they gave them. And like with us right now, we will try to back-engineer certain items. If they gave us the advanced technology that they have, we would cease to exist as individual societies. We really would.
We have to assiminate [sic] it into our culture, make it part of our culture, and that a’way it becomes part of our everyday life. If we got all of this advanced technology all at once, it would eliminate hundreds of thousands of jobs. It would totally crush our economic base — and this is worldwide. This would ultimately lead to chaos throughout the world. This is something they don’t want.
Remember, our visitors is part of — keeping it quiet as to them being here. Barney and Betty Hill, Barney said, “I want to remember,” or Betty said, “I want to remember,” and they said, “We can’t let you remember. No one must know that we’re doing this.”
Well, they needed to keep it quiet, too. But they realized this would happen. We realized that this would happen. It was even brought up in the Royal Society in 2010 when they were asking what impact it would have on society should we just merely acknowledge, hey, we got a radio signal from a billion miles out in space, a billion light-years out in space.
So, yeah, there’s concern on our part, there’s concern on their part. But at the same time releasing information to say, hey, look, folks, there are things going on. You don’t have to worry about an invasion, but you need to know, yeah, UFOs are real, they’re from highly advanced civilizations. They mean us no harm. So, you know, we need to stop calling people crazy.
CS: We need to stop ridiculing people for what they have seen.
GD: A lot of people feel that … a lot of people feel that this year, 2012 — and I’m thinking about the Mayan calendar — a lot of people refer to this year, 2012, particularly at the end of the year, in December, as the shift or Ascension; that our galactic brothers and sisters are assisting to help the Earth evolve and are trying to do it mindfully and cautiously and carefully, but wanting to bring this technology to Earth to help … and to help with system changes, economical changes being one — you referenced that; institutions, such as how government structures are set up, to really help bring about a significant change to assist the world and get us to a place out of a place of separateness to a place of peace, to a place of love and harmony consistent with these higher-dimensional beings and what they experience.
Is this your understanding as well? Do you have a sense of how things are unfolding?
CS: That’s not going to happen this year, and I know that for a fact.
GD: How’s that?
CS: December 21st, 2012 — I predict this now — will come and pass. December 22nd, the sun will rise. I know I’m making a lot of enemies by saying that, but I’m still in contact, and I know that. I know that for a fact. And the only reason I know that and the only reason they even bothered to bring it up to me was because they knew how I was when I was a kid when people said the world’s going to end on this day.
There was one time in Kentucky. Two hundred people went into this cave, and they were going to stay in there because the world was going to end. I stayed up all night watching for the moon turn to blood. But, you know, that isn’t going to happen.
We’re going through certain climatic changes right now. And there are things that we have done to our planet that they’re trying to help us to change. One of the greatest cartoons I saw about 2012 is where the guy’s making the calendar and he turns to the chief and he says, “I can only … I only have enough material to take this up to December 21st, 2012.” He says, “This is going to create a lot of problems for people in the future.”
Well, actually they believed that — the Mayans did — it’s going to be a new beginning. Whether it’s going to be good or bad depends on what we did up to that point.
GD: So you don’t foresee any Armageddon or the world actually coming to an end or blowing up or anything like that? It sounds like what you … what you believe is …
CS: No. At the same time, look at the world right now. There’s Armageddons going on all over the place. I mean, how many people the night before would have thought what happened there in Aurora, Colorado, would happen? How many people think about what’s going on in the Middle East right now, with not just us fighting there, but with several other countries fighting and struggling to come out under the tyranny of their own governments? How many people stop and think that, for lack of a crust of bread, before the clock strikes midnight tonight ten thousand children are going to die? And you know what? None of it’s necessary.
GD: True. True.
CS: And if people would just learn how to grow more spiritual — and I’m not talking religion; I’m Catholic, that’s my religion. But even if I was not Catholic, if I was not religious, per se, I could still have that spiritual intensity about me which everyone should have, and that, simply put, is meaning to care what happens to the other person. And I’m not talking about sympathy. The world don’t need sympathy. What we need is what we call empathy.
And empathy is meaning having an understanding of what others are going through. From that empathy, then we can go ahead and get a sense of constructive sympathy in which we do those little bits and pieces that we can out of a burning desire within our soul to help others for the betterment of all humanity.
GD: I appreciate you speaking to that and appreciate what you’re saying. And just going back to what you shared earlier, that we have beings that are here to help us, and they are coming from a higher evolved state, it sounds like you’re not in agreement that we’re going to see some major shifts as discussed around the end of December.
I think, to your point, we … I mean, clearly have a ways to go to get into a place of getting out of the civil unrest and the extreme conflict and horrors that we’re seeing on planet Earth right now. But it sounds like you do have hope that, with our galactic brothers and sisters, we’ll get to a better place with their help eventually.
CS: Oh, absolutely. You know, every time — and I am not going to divulge names here — but every time that they have went and they have shut down missile silos, or they have knocked missiles … made them ineffective while they were in flight, what they did was some of the people were picking up messages in their heads, and they were simply being taught, “Do not be afraid. We mean you no harm. We are just showing that if we were hostile, if we meant you harm, what we could do.”
And no one was ever hurt in any of those. So, a person’s interpretation of, oh, this was a hostile act, well, as a member of the military, I would consider this a hostile act because, wait a minute, they’re interfering with our weapons systems, and we need effective countermeasures. But that’s military thought.
As a spiritual person, I see it as, gee, they’re showing us that if they really meant us harm they could have taken us out a long time ago. But yet, to reassure the people, because you’re afraid. When you’re in that missile silo and your missiles start to launch going towards their target, you know this is the end of the world as we know it, because once they lock on, they have specific programmed sites they’re going to. The other side’s going to launch, and it’s going to mean World War Three, and there’s nothing you can do to stop it.
About two seconds before countdown, they shut down. Other instances? Your missiles are just shutting down, there’s nothing you can do to stop it. And you know, gee, this … for whatever time these missiles are down leaves us defenseless.
Both are scary scenarios; both have happened. [There are?] missiles went on [launch?] sequence and were about to launch. Two seconds before they were launched — the fires of the engines even started up. Two seconds before they would go ahead and leave the silos, everything started to shut down.
GD: Umm. Wow.
CS: At the same time, the ones there in the silos, they were being told, “Do not be afraid. We mean you no harm.” But, you know, the whole situation is, oh, so it shows, you know, we needed to think about a lot of this stuff could have played behind the scenes very much in bringing about an end to the cold war. In short, I guess I’m saying now, Reagan had it right. And when Reagan said, “Mr. Gorbachev, I can’t help but think that if we were all at once faced with a hostile threat from outside of our planet, how quickly the world would unite, and you and I would be allies…”
CS: “… in a common defense against an unknown enemy.” Okay. But they showed that they could be a threat if they wanted to be.
GD: Right. And … and … right. To reiterate what you’re saying, there is no threat from our star brothers and sisters. I wanted to … and I’m just cog …
GD: … I wanted to just be mindful of the remaining time that we have, and you’ve been very gracious. One of the things that really sticks out in mind is the experience that you’ve had actually going to crash sites. And you’ve come to sites and you’ve done this a number of times, where you’ve come across crashed extraterrestrial sites. And there have been extraterrestrials, some alive, some dead, but you’ve been able to pick up their energy, you’ve been able to communicate with them.
Can you share with us perhaps one or two events in your history that really stick out in your mind in terms of the impact that it had on you? What you’ve picked up from these beings? And I want to preface this by just acknowledging that I know that this is hard stuff and it’s emotional, because you really connected with these beings deeply.
But can you share with us? And it’s in the spirit of helping us to understand that they’re not all that different than us. In fact, they’re family. And some of the things that I’ve caught in previous interviews that you’ve shared have included how you were able to pick up feelings of them not seeing their family again, and feelings of fear.
So, I’m wondering if you could just speak to a couple of events that really stuck out in your mind with the work that you’ve done?
CS: Well, if you will, let me go with two. Then if we have time we’ll go into the third one. But it takes more than an hour. But like the one that … back in Indian Town Gap, Pennsylvania — this was in ’69 — we were on a field training exercise there at Indian Town Gap. This was the 36th Civil Affairs. It was part of the 96th Civil Affairs Group.
We got a call sometime — I don’t know, early morning hours, two, three in the morning — that we were going to be the NBC quick response team to a aircraft, possibly of Soviet origin, that went down on the other side of Indian Town Gap from where we were. We were told we would be the B team because they already had another team there. And normally you have one team shows up within two hours and another team that shows up within four hours to back up the first team that got there.
So, I was told to go ahead and disconnect from my switchboard in the back of the Dussenhaff and move out with a convoy of several vehicles and head to the site.
Well, as we approached the site I could see that they already had lights up around what we were identifying as a crash site. When we got there, we went in to asking where they wanted our vehicles located, and — we call it staging — they went ahead, directed my truck over fairly close to where the crash site was and ordered some other people to start connecting up the switchboard.
I was told by this guy that I always called the Colonel — he was always in civilian clothes, but we always knew he was in charge — and he told me, “Son, I need you to take your Geiger counter, and I need you to move towards the craft and call back your readings you’re getting.”
So, I took the Geiger counter and I started to move toward the craft. Well, immediately I saw the craft was like [hill, pill?] shaped, that it wasn’t like any known configuration of any aircraft that I knew of. But then I started to get these real weird feelings, like, you know, depression, sorrow, lack, of loss, feelings that you’re never going … you know … how do you say goodbye to the people you love? Like you know you’re not going to survive it.
Anyhow, I [ ? ] the one, and I told this guy, “I don’t feel comfortable. I need an officer up here.” And he says, “It’s okay, son, just call back what your readings are.” And I’d get peak readings, then they’d drop to normal; peak readings, then they’d drop to normal. Peak readings was about point oh seven, point oh eight milli renkins, which is higher than normal background radiation, but not in a dangerous level.
When I got to the top, I looked down and you could see like a little canopy on top of the craft. But it … to the best of my knowledge, the canopy didn’t open. On the side was like a kidney-shaped door, and it was swung open, and I saw this entity [ ? ] out, about half torso, with its arms outstretched and the head out, the head … the eyes was pointing off to its left. But I knew this entity was dead.
So, I went ahead, and I was telling the guy that I was calling the Colonel, I said, “I really need an officer up here now.” And he says, “What do you see?” I said, “I see a body and the body’s not human.” I said, “This craft didn’t come from anywheres on this planet.” And he said, “Okay, son, it’s okay. Come on back down.”
And I started back down, and I went and I just stared at him, and I shook my head, left to right, and I was telling him, “That’s not a Soviet aircraft. That did not originate on this planet.” I used words I can’t use on the radio, but I made it clear — darn him for putting me in that situation and making me have to go through what I did! And I felt he knew.
But anyhow, he told me to get back in the Dussenhaff, and I was to remain there and monitor my switchboard that’s connected up to I believe 20 field phones, and monitor the command net and the operations net on the [Prick? Pritt?] 25s. Those were two field radios.
They had a runner right outside the pickup. If I needed to get somebody to talk to somebody on the command net, I was to send the runner.
So, that went on. I know they took the body someplace. I know they went ahead and took the craft someplace. I do believe the craft did go to Wright Patterson initially. That does not mean it stayed there. But we have — at the time it was the Air Tactical Intelligence Center, and that was considered a safe haven area, highly secured, highly classified, where, should any debris of, say, a hostile or potential hostile country came into our possession, we could check it over for the technological capabilities. We did the same thing with objects of unknown origin that didn’t originate on this planet.
Also they had a laboratory there that would be very good for dissection of our visitors, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they stay there. I also believe ultimately we gave back the cadavers simply because they have respect for their dead also.
The next morning I was told, “Okay, pack up. You’re finished here. Clean-up crew will take it from here.” And we moved on out. I had to go on back because the exercise was over, so the vehicles that was taken from where we were at, all of us went back to Fort Lee, Virginia in the little convoy we had at that time.
The next time that I had an incident was when they told me that they had an incident and they needed me to talk with an individual. Well, I knew immediately what that meant. But as we drove, you know, I was trying to prepare myself because you’re never ready for the next incident. And as we got closer, I remember, we were driving up and I saw, you know, out in the wooded area this one-level building. And it was, you know, a long building, but just one level. There was no second story to it.
I went in through the door on the side. We walked down the corridor to a room that was about two or three doors down, and I believe it was off to the right. All the windows were boarded up and all that.
And as soon as I got in there I started to feel a little sick, like, you know, I ate the wrong food. And I started to feel anxiety, and I felt afraid. And I looked down, and what we call a typical Gray was there. And he looked up at me, and immediately, just like I’m talking to you only it was in my head, I heard, “I am afraid.”
And I’m pretty sure I said it verbally, but I went ahead and I said, “Yes, I know.” And I’m pretty sure he got left behind, that when a craft goes down and we know about it we immediately try to get there to recover it. At one time they did call it Project Pounce, I don’t know what they call it now.
But they would usually hit it with what they call a SAT team, a sabotage alert team. And normally these were made up of intelligence groups. Then of course the NBC teams would come in because the SAT team would go ahead and secure the area.
But we went ahead and small talked eventually, but he eventually got around to telling me that his people was coming for him. And if he was on the inside, he would rather for us to go ahead and, you know, even kill him, because many of us might die because the technology they’d be using, even though they didn’t mean for it to cause any harm to any of us, it had that capacity to do so in them trying to rescue him.
And just like us, if they have a craft down or they have one of their own missing, there is a distress signal that’s sent out. And they immediately organize a rescue effort, just like we do.
CS: So, I said, “Maybe there’s something I can do.” So I looked up at this guy called the Colonel, and I said, “I need to talk to my driver. He’s wanting to tell me something,” meaning the entity, “and we’re probably going to be here all night. Is that okay with you?” He says, “Do what you have to do.”
So I go out and I tell my driver, “I need you to go back, get a pair of…” — oh, what do you call ’em? — “bolt cutters.” And I really didn’t need bolt cutters, because what we had was a chain link fence, but bolt cutters do the job better. And I said, “I want them left right on the other side of this building. And I need you, after you drop them there, just drive off and forget everything about tonight.”
And he says, “What are you doing, Stony?” I said, “Just do what I asked you.”
So, he goes ahead and he gets the bolt cutters. He does what I asked. So I go back in, and I told the people on the inside, I said, “Look, he wants to show me something. Now, it won’t harm me, but some of you people could get hurt.” I said, “I need you to go outside. I need you to go ahead and go outside of the compound.” And of course there were arguments, and, “We can’t do this. What’s going on?” I said, “Look, this place is going to be a-glow. We don’t need people getting injured. Like I say, I’ll be in…” I think I even used the term bubble of protection, “…but I need everybody out of here.”
So, they went ahead, got out. And as soon as they got out I noticed that they still had a guard immediately on the gate. So what I did was ask him, “I hope they’re real close, because we’re only getting one shot at this.” And of course he told me, “They may kill you.” And I said, “I guess that’s a chance have to take, hunh?”
So, I went ahead and took him out through the other door, at the other end of the hall. And we laid low. I got out there, grabbed the wire cutters, the bolt cutters, and started to cut a hole to where I could pull it open and him get out. Then all of a sudden I had flashlights and everything else shining on me, hollering, “Halt! Halt! Halt! Halt!”
And I was waiting to get shot. And the guy I always called the Colonel told everyone, “Hold your fire. Hold your fire.”
Well, about that time, a typically — for lack of a better term — disk-shaped object came over, shot down a beam of light, started off as, you know, real small, then just grew larger and surrounded our entity, and as quickly as like you’d turn off a light bulb, the light’s gone and the entity’s gone, and the UFO took off, and all you saw was a streak, a streak of light, period.
Then, you know, the guards came over, still pointing their weapons at me. And the Colonel came over, using choice words, why did I do what I had to do, I said, “I was helping a guest.” And he said, when I first got there, that our entity was our guest, but we had him under armed guards, you know.
CS: So we went out, he lit up a cigarette — I smoked cigars at that time — and I said, “Sir, how can we say they’re our guests when we keep them under an armed guard?”
He says, “Well, you know, people are going to be afraid if they see him out there, and for his own protection we did that…”
I says, “For his own protection we were keeping him here, to where his own kind couldn’t come and pick him up?” I said, “Had he … had he not told me, some of these guys here wouldn’t be going home tonight.” And I said, you know, the whole situation, “He would have let himself be killed, and I was feeling every emotion this little guy was feeling.”
So the Colonel said, “Okay. I’m not going to do anything to you this time.” He says, “But in the future, please tell me what you’re going to do before you do it. It doesn’t necessarily mean I’m going to let you do it, but it does not necessarily mean that I am going to disagree and not let you do it. But it’s important.”
Then he turned and he looked at me and smiled and said, “You almost went home tonight in a body bag. You know that?” And I said, “Yes, sir, but I was willing to make that sacrifice.” Because in the words of a great man that lived 2000 years ago, we know not what we do.
So, he got to go back, and of course I was talked to by this guy and a couple others the next day.
And in the book it talks about my experiences. What people don’t understand, when I’m talking about it, I’m reliving it, in living color. I see what’s going on in front of me. And only people who’ve been in combat, or went through these types of experiences, can understand what I’m talking about. Or that went through some traumatizing situations.
And I know that’s hard for people to understand. No one’s taught me how to not break down yet. I’m working on it.
GD: I understand that it’s very difficult for you to relive these experiences, and it sounds like you really are. And I just so appreciate, and I know our listeners appreciate, too, your willingness to share and help get the word out, and doing it with courage and integrity.
So, I certainly appreciate your time today and what you’ve shared. It’s so important as we get the word out about how our galactic family are indeed family, and they’re here to help us.
So, I am very appreciative of all your work.
Clifford Stone, thank you so much for your time today, sir.
CS: Thank you, sir. And to you and your listeners, God bless.