The immanent/transcendent duality

[Julien]

Dear Gaians,

I’d like to present a few thoughts about the apparent duality between transcendence and immanence in spirituality, mainly to get your own feelings about those, if you relate to them in some way.

First, let me state very clearly that I’m not looking to create divisiveness or to categorize people or spiritual conceptions in any way.
I think both viewpoints are perfectly valid, generally inseparable, very beautiful and totally reflective of Higher wisdom.

As a matter of fact, I present them as dual in the hope that by noticing them we may understand their ultimate non-duality.
I also think that they describe the same thing – our perception of the Oneness of all – in two sufficiently different ways to warrant some form of discussion.

First, some definitions might be in order here… these two words aren’t common nor easy to understand.
Here are some from the Collins online dictionary:

Transcendent
Something that is transcendent goes beyond normal limits or boundaries, because it is more significant than them.
…the idea of a transcendent God who stood apart from mankind.
Synonyms: unparalleled, unique, extraordinary, superior

Immanent
If you say that a quality is immanent in a particular thing, you mean that the thing has that quality, and cannot exist or be imagined without it.
God is immanent in the world.
Synonyms: inherent, innate, intrinsic, natural

The question that I’ve been musing about lately is how we, spiritual people on our varied Paths to collective physical Ascension, relate to these in terms of points of view and inner “images”.

As an introductory example, consider the words Ascension and Awakening, which have been used in spiritual literature to describe the very same event.
My take on them is that they kind of reflect these two viewpoints…

Before I try expressing what I’d “classify” as being related to one or the other, I should probably point out that I mostly have immanent beliefs… but often relate to my practice and spiritual goals as transcendental nonetheless.

I’ll give two very similar descriptions, voluntarily. These are a bit more stereotypical than what I really experience when voluntarily aligning with one or the other, for purposes of clarity.

Transcendence

I’d say that the transcendent viewpoint is related to terms and relational notions like “Higher”.
When I align with transcendent Unity and Oneness, I picture my Higher multi-dimensional Self(⋅ves) as “englobing” me, shining their Divine Light and Guidance inward and through me.
I feel part of a larger Whole and Complete being: One, I’m at the “center” of it.
Unity feels like it is about accepting that my Higher Self, Oversoul and ultimately One are already Me, that They already exist within Me. The sense here is one of growing outward in terms of my “I am” experience until I too englobe them.
This viewpoint, I think, leads me more toward devotional practices, service to others through form (doing) and a perspective of Ascension being meditated by a “larger being” (One) through my Oversoul and Higher Selves.
I feel like I’ll come in time to realize that we are One through my “becoming more”. I mean, it’s about moving my sense of identity from a dense ego-self that is an “inner layer” toward my Higher Self that is “outward” or “above” me.
It feels like the Veil of Illusion, my sense of separation from One, is surrounding me and filtering the inwardly going Light and Love coming from “other beings” and One.

Immanence

I’d say the immanent viewpoint is related to terms and relational notions like “Inner”.
When aligning with immanent Unity and Oneness, which is easier for me, I picture my Inner multi-dimension Self(⋅ves) as being “englobed” within me, shining their Divine Light and Guidance outward and through me.
I also feel part of a Whole and Complete being: One, but I’m the “periphery” of it.
Unity feels like it is about accepting that I am already my Inner Self, Oversoul and ultimately One, that I already exist within Them. The sense here is one of growing inwards in terms of my “I am” experience until They too englobe me.
This viewpoint, I think, leads me more toward introspection practices, service to others through states (being) and a perspective of Ascension being mediated by an “inner being” (One) through my Innersoul and Inner Selves.
I feel like I’ll come in time to realize that we are One through “becoming less”. I mean, it’s about moving my sense of identity from a dense ego-self that is an “external layer” toward my Inner Self.
It feels like the Veil of Illusion, my sense of separation from One, is within me and filtering the outwardly going Light and Love coming from “other beings” and One.

I’ve come to notice over the years that channeled messages and traditional literature can be expressing things from a point of view located pretty much anywhere in this transcendent/immanent scope.
Some of them are very polarized in this regard, while others are almost non-dual.

As most apparent dualities of this kind, I very much enjoy toying with them. I feel that they’re just different inner points of views on the exact same reality, no matter how paradoxical that seems from the perspective of my 3D ego-self and mind.
If you know the optical illusion trick where you flip your perception of the “stool-like” steel wire holding corks tight on glass bottles of gaseous drinks (I hope that’s not a purely French object we put on Champagne bottles and their likes 😂) from appearing “toward you” to “away from you” or the opposite, that’s really what it feels like toying with these, except the steel wire is my whole perspective on spiritual reality.
I’d suggest trying it out if you feel like it and resonate with this stuff, it’s very fun! Be warned though, it’s spiritual-vertigo inducing 😉

Are these two seemingly dual concepts of transcendence and immanence something you relate to, in your inner perceptions, beliefs and practices?

Mettā,
Julien

[This was also posted there : https://meditative.space/2021/06/23/the-immanent-transcendent-duality/]

[Catherine Viel]

A nice, intricate, yet comprehensible presentation! I’m in more of an experiential mode just about all the time, which is where I write from, but I enjoy this kind of discussion, too. Thanks, Julien!
Love,
:c💓💞🌈

[Don]

Dear Julien,

You have raised an interesting issue with your thoughts about transcendence and immanence. My feeling is that transcendence and a conception of a transcendent God are related to mind based metaphysical systems whereas immanence and a conception of an immanent God are related to heart based metaphysical systems.

As humanity has internalized and identified with an ego self and the ego is grounded on a belief in separation from God held in the concrete mind, the majority of Earth’s religious systems have emphasized transcendence as a path to a transcendent God. As the mind separates, which is similar to transcendence, it is only natural for mind based systems of thought to assume goals that reflect the nature of the mind which judges, establishes a hierarchy and ideals, and adopts a dualistic approach. This is reflected in a dualistic striving after ideals in an attempt to achieve goals that are apart from the separate ego. Enlightenment of mind and transcendent realizations and knowledge that abstract one above life are natural goals in mind based systems.

However there have been minority nondual mystical heart based systems of metaphysical thought. These emphasize going within the heart to find an immanent God within creation. I believe this trend of thought will become more widespread in the New Age that is coming because this New World will result from a divine intervention that is dissolving the separative ego matrix and allowing humanity a direct experience of an immanent God within. This approach is nondual because instead of striving after something the self is separate from, one opens up through the Heart to something that is already there within. This is the Divine Self of God that is one within all creation. The Heart connects and synthesizes as Love does so it is natural that nondual metaphysical systems emphasizing immanence are heart based.

The immanent approach assumes that there is no need to transcend one’s human experience as God is within it. Rather than striving to willfully transcend, openness, acceptance, trust and allowing are emphasized to realize a oneness with the divine Self of God that one is an extension of. Instead of trying to conceptualize reality one endeavors to open up to and experience reality. The transcendence approach could be said to be more masculine, the immanent approach more feminine. However, the immanent approach ultimately requires more than feminine receptivity to be fulfilled, it also requires self expression and co-creation if we are going to be all that we are — the Divine Self in manifestation. Ultimately immanence doesn’t exclude transcendence, it’s just a more effective path to begin to experience our Self and the larger divine Whole our Self is integral to. As our experience is continually unfolding new revelations there is always an unknown or transcendent aspect of God immanent.

I hope that you can relate to these thoughts.

Love and light,

Don

[Julien]

Dear Don and Catherine,

Thank you for your thoughts on this. They are much appreciated! Sorry about this quite long delay in answering… my life got a bit hairy last week.

Catherine, experiential mode sounds really nice from my analytic mindset! 😄

Don, I too feel that the concept of an immanent One is a more direct and trust-based path, and that the idea of a transcendent One indeed comes from hierarchical separation and judgement. The “inward” perspective seems to make it easier to move our sense of identity from our ego-self to our Unitive Self.

You raise a very interesting question with the dual mind / non-dual heart opposition and associations. I’ve always had some trouble relating to these even though I’ve come across them repeatedly, so I hope you won’t mind if I answer mostly about it. I’d be really interested in discussing this further!

For clarity, I’d say “mind” ≈ mental self ≈ thoughts both conscious and unconscious and “heart” ≈ emotional self ≈ emotions both conscious and unconscious as well. I’d place Higher Knowing in the mind spectrum or mind-consciousness and Higher Feeling in the heart spectrum or heart-consciousness. What I mean is that those are aspects of my consciousness through which I perceive reality, including to some degree my Higher-dimensional experiences.

I get this opposition and associations, somehow… but they don’t usually agree with my own inner experiences. For example, I can hold a beautiful Light-filled Unitive thought or knowing in my mind, or disgustingly dark and separate emotions in my heart. Probably not both at the same time though.
I feel that mind and heart are both equally important, both prone to dualism and are most beautiful when used together in full awareness. It’s kind of like sight and hearing, they’re both nice to have when standing near a river… I’d also be tempted to say that both are necessary ingredients of Higher awareness as our Divine Unitive Self. At least, I’ve noticed that coherent heart-mind states seem to be key in my case.

Clearly, we, humans in general, placed a lot of focus on the mind for a looong time, and are learning to shift it to our heart-consciousness. That’s a very pertinent thing to do in our current co-creation of the New Earth, and one I’m certainly enjoying and engaged in myself!
However, while I very much feel that heart-consciousness is more intuitive and has clearer Higher discernment than mind-consciousness, mostly because there’s less clutter floating around in the heart than in the mind, I’m not that comfortable opposing these two in any stronger manner, or assigning dual and non-dual characteristics to one or another.

Emotions (“heart-forms”?) such as anxiety and serenity or anger and compassion feel like very dual couples, much more in fact than most of my thoughts usually do. They determine to a large degree whether I’m being in Unity or separation. So in a sense, Being in Unity in the Now is indeed meditated by our hearts and I get the association. But I could also feel totally separated from One by holding onto some dark stuff in my heart-consciousness, for example rage or loathing.
Of course, I can also turn both of these types of consciousness (mind- and heart-) toward Divine Unity to great effect!

I feel compelled to add that I don’t think or feel that unconditional Love, Peace, Joy and their likes are pure emotions, although they certainly give rise to beautiful ones!
I relate to these Divine Qualities as energies or vibrations. I have both a knowing (mind) and a feeling (heart) of them, which I see as my heart-mind making sense of these or “putting handles on them”, so that I can experience them as a human.
In fact, apart from the emotions themselves, to me Peace, Joy and Trust have colors, geometrical shapes and motions, tastes, associated words and so on… These are mostly mental objects that are associated with my knowing of these energies, and I use them extensively while meditating on them, or simply to express them.
In Unity Consciousness, the associated thoughts and emotions are quite different (well, Higher), but I think they’re still “handles” nonetheless, simply taken from a less distorted, much lighter and more pleasant set?

I hope you get my perspective on this and can relate to it. Thanks for this nice subject!

In Loving Kindness,
Julien

[Don]

Dear Julien,

Yes, human nature and the interrelation between the personal self and the soul self is complicated. I’ll just share my perspective for whatever it’s worth. The soul is composed of higher dimensions of reality than the personality. The immediate goal of human evolution is to transfer one’s center of conscious identity from the separate personality to the group conscious soul.

The concrete lower mind is part of the ego/personality while the higher mind is part of the soul.
The concrete mind is the domain of thought forms, intuition accesses the higher mind.
Soul consciousness is disidentified with higher mind but uses the mind to formulate its experiential knowing. Ego consciousness is identified with the concrete mind.
The emotions are part of the ego while unitary loving consciousness is part of the soul.
The emotions are caused by judgements of experience, soul feelings are derived from love.
Emotions are related to the lower chakras, feelings to the heart chakra.
All love and the many feelings that derive from it, is really one.
Personal will is part of the ego while divine will is part of the soul.

The ego assumes that the heart only provides feelings of personal love so it misinterprets the nature of love. The heart is really a portal to the unitary dimension of the soul where we experience the one conscious animating energy of Love that flows through creation. If the individual can sustain awareness in the heart portal they will begin to access the intuitive knowing and spiritual will of the soul. If they will begin to trust it, express it and live by it they will gradually shift their identity from the personality/ego to the soul. This will require detachment from the concrete ego mind which would misinterpret experience. Sustaining awareness as soul requires maintaining awareness in the silence, stillness, openness and seeming emptiness of the soul while listening and feeling within for a higher knowing. The integration of the soul and personality also requires raising the energies of the lower personal chakras to the higher chakras. The spiritual efforts of the ego unconsciously aggrandizes separative consciousness while uniting with the soul self through the agency of the heart shifts consciousness away from the ego. It’s easier to transfer identity to the soul via the heart, as love is is the same on both levels so it is naturally connective and unitive. It’s harder via the mind as the mind is naturally separative.

I’ve endeavored to keep it simple but I notice that this is rather too simplistic, but that is how it’s coming out at the moment. Anyway, I hope there is something of value in this for you.

Love and light,

Don

[Pink Rose]

Hello Julien,

This is an interesting topic you posted here.
Probably a lot could be said or discussed about it.

In my experience the best and fastest way to get all knowledge we need is to tune into our Heart.
Besides our “normal” Heart we all have a Higher Heart, which is a multidimensional portal. As Don nicely explained above, through the Heart portal we can access Unitary Consciousness and experience the true nature of the All that Is, which is Love.
Love is the very core essence of the whole Creation and the Creator. It is the most powerful force in existence, yet the gentlest, omnipresent fiber of the River of Life. Divine Love includes divine Will and Wisdom in itself. The only way of comprehending the Truth is by watching it through the eyes of Love.

When we access the inner portal in our Higher Heart we will be able to connect with our Higher Mind. And through the Higher Mind we will understand that immanence doesn’t exclude transcendence. They rather complement each other.
For me a natural way to start a spiritual journey would be by immanent approach, then continue it by adopting more of progressive (transcendent) revelations, keeping in mind that these two approaches are not separated in reality and using them both.
Universe is ever expanding, as we are growing in our consciousness everything else is growing as well. We are all transcending our previous states of consciousness being always more of that who we are.

I tried to share how I see it. It’s never easy to explain such complex topics well with our words. I feel that it would be much easier in 5D, where whole thought forms and ideas could be directly transferred from one being to another.🙂

Love & Light,
Nena

[Don]

Dear Nena,

Well said.

Love and light,

Don

[Pink Rose]

Thank you Don. 🙂

[Catherine Viel]

Hi Nena, I liked this especially:

I tried to share how I see it. It’s never easy to explain such complex topics well with our words. I feel that it would be much easier in 5D, where whole thought forms and ideas could be directly transferred from one being to another.🙂

I’m looking forward to that, too. A popular mid-twentieth century author, Mary Stewart, wrote a book called Touch Not the Cat, and several characters were able to communicate telepathically after a fashion. I’m pretty sure Lady Stewart was psychic, judging by her books. In this one, she described how “thought blocks” would transfer whole from one person to another, and I always thought that probably is how telepathy works.

Your description reminded me of that.😻

Love,
:c💞💓🌈

[Pink Rose]

Hello Catherine,

I am glad you liked it. 🙂

I haven’t read Lady Stewart’s books, but it is entirely possible that she was psychic. Many people are, at least in certain degree. We all have an intuition and can sense many things that are not rationally explainable.

With Humanity’s ascension in 5D telepathy should become a normal way of communication. We could communicate easy not only with each other, but with animals, plants, minerals, Lady Gaia, other beings of Light…
It would be really great. No more misunderstandings, misinterpretations, illusions of any kind…
Imagine how many interesting things we could learn from each other, cooperate together, co-create easily. I am so happy thinking on that.
The Golden Age is closer every day. 😊💓

Love & Light,
Nena

[Julien]

Dear Nena, Catherine and Don,

My gratitude to you for sharing your insights here!
As you may have noticed, I really enjoy discussing what I consider as the “practical” inner representations and feelings we have of ourselves, the Ascension process and our 5D+ Selves. These seem beautifully diverse and make up so much of our inner realities and spiritual Path. Thanks for going with it 😊
Also, I hope you don’t find me too contrary here… I’m truly interested in understanding your perspectives, which feel different from mine in some ways. As with quite a lot of online spiritual materials, it’s a bit like reading a familiar book in some rather unfamiliar language.

I really feel as well that receiving, being and expressing Divine Unconditional Love are the main “factors” leading to Unitary Consciousness or any 5D experience.
For some reason, I seem to do it preferentially using both my (Higher) mind and heart at the same time… it’s like a balancing act in my case, too much of one and it doesn’t work as well. Concretely, it seems to “require” me to hold both a stable Knowing (intuition-related) and Feeling of Love.
I’ll try turning my awareness to those two separately, there’s probably some insight to be gleaned there, thanks to your very kind and precise explanations!

The distinction you both make between lower (concrete) and Higher minds and hearts is also really interesting and I’d be delighted to know more about it.
Specifically, do these lower and Higher versions feel like separate “consciousness tools” (“spiritual organs”?) to you, or more like the same tools used in a different range of vibrations?
To me, it feels like the Higher dimensional versions (of everything, truly) are always present, but I usually (in 3D) only see the lower version. They’re the same, but it’s my perspective on them that changes, in a way. When I stop identifying as strongly with my ego-self, I realize that the lower version was only some “details” I kept engaging in. It’s kind of “Huh, I simply had to let go of that and here I am in 5D… where I already was!?”. The lower feels like a small subpart of the Higher to which I’d been dedicating way too much Awareness, much like I could focus on a wooden knot in a table, rather than the whole table.
What I’m trying to say is that I’ve never noticed while having experiences in 5D that I “switched” between minds or hearts at some point. They’re used in a very different way and vibration, though.
Do you notice such a neat switch yourselves? I’d love reading what these feel like to you!
It seems important that we get to knowing these more and more intimately, and expressing our actual experiences in a (semi-)public fashion may I guess be of help to others.

Also, I’d be interested in understanding what you refer to, in terms of inner experiences, as “portals”. I don’t know if I’ve never correctly associated that word with some of my experiences or if we perceive the actual process of getting “into” 5D and aligning with Love differently. That’d be quite beautiful, actually.
I really do not feel like there’s some “multidimensional door” I have to cross or receive/express Love through. I think it would feel indirect, even if it were my heart? I do relate to the transition between lower and Higher, or noticing the flow of Love, in terms of experience, but not to the “object” in between them. To me it feels like bending the lens of my attention in order to perceive the River of Life differently, and not like accessing or crossing something. Is that maybe what you refer to as portals and I am being overly focused on words here? Sorry if that’s the case, reading about them has always made me wonder…

To sum it up a bit, it feels to me like the (my?) process of getting “into” 5D is about consciously realigning my inner viewpoints, both mental and emotional. Through my Awareness, I give little “nudges” to these windows on reality and Self until they align to Love and Unity. Initially, I maintain an active focus on Knowing, Feeling and expressing some Divine Qualities (Ease, Tranquility, Trust and Gratitude being favorites of mine), to act as guides in this process, then they usually start flowing naturally: the River of Live is there no matter what, it’s my perception of it that I’m altering. The “required” changes in terms of “inner perspectives” are often retrospectively quite small, in fact; what seems daunting to achieve from a 3D perspective usually seems evident and very easy from 5D.
This whole “viewpoints” thing is probably why I brought up the immanent/transcendent ones and associated “spatial” descriptions, as most of my inner spiritual landscape is made of (abstract) geometry and perspectives on it. They’re truly what I apprehend spiritual reality through and how I “navigate”, although I’d be hard pressed to explain it in details using any 3D language. I guess that’s quite different depending on people! I’ll happily try thought-forms communication when we can manage it, Nena! 😀

By the way, Don, I really enjoy reading from someone who also believes so literally in our collective Self as a tangible Higher objective in this Ascension! It should prove beautiful and fascinating to co-Create such a collective consciousness while retaining physical bodies. There’s quite a lot of fun spiritual work coming our way, I think 😄

One last thing, since this post is already much too long, as usual! 😅 (Sorry about that, I can’t seem to express in short fashion… and believe me, I’m trying!)
I’ve recently remembered being so utterly perplexed as a very young child when I realized our sense of identity didn’t (yet) work in this collective/Unitive way here. I also remembered that I initially built large parts of my ego-self consciously since it seemed required here. I had a very strong phobia of finding myself “mired in the muck” for most of childhood, which I then couldn’t make much sense of anymore, as I aged… it’s really interesting remembering what that was in fact about: not identifying too strongly with the ego-self I was building so carefully and reluctantly. Weird memories, these!

in Loving Kindness,
Julien

[OneRayLove]

Hi Julien,

Allow me to smile at you, in gratitude 😃. I will this time around not mingle in the conversation, but I will observe it.

Looks to me … all the answers you seek from a “sole mental” self awareness … are equally to be found in your upper post … as it represents a “current” awareness portal … you hold in focus Now.

Leave at this for now my friend. Thank you for expressing yourself 💕💞💓🌈🙏

[Julien]

Hi Ralph,

Thanks for your answer, my friend!
I had a good laugh at the “sole mental” thing: I pictured myself wearing a white laboratory blouse on top of my Light-body, observing my inner spiritual landscape and taking notes… I truly am approaching all this as a “spiritual scientist” 🤣

It also made me spot my Heart portal in minutes, for a reason… It’s my “Heart-awareness viewpoint”, quite simply!
I don’t normally see it as a spiritual object but as a “flowing spiritual perception” (ie I don’t reify it), I guess that’s why it proved so elusive 😂 It’s definitely a multidimensional portal indeed… and it was hidden in plain spiritual sight, with huge flashing neon lights around it.
Hahaha, years wondering what portals were, only to finally notice I use them intuitively everyday. I don’t know if that’s me being really dense, but it’s very funny.
Well, that’s going to be a very useful insight I think!

in laughing and grateful Joy,
Julien

[OneRayLove]

Perfect you found something useful ☺️ … and even more important you feel it, enjoy it and allow yourself to go back and forth … whenever and however you like.

Up to the next “challenge … discovery” then 😅🤭😉🙏

[Pink Rose]

Hi Julien,

Ascended Masters and Archangels often teach us about the roles of the Heart and Mind.
Here is what Archangel Michael says in his channeled messages, posted today on GAoG:
” The New Earth: a Heart Centered Creation of Love
The New Earth Human Angel is a Heart centered Being. Unlike the “older version” of Humanity, which was centered in the Mind/Solar Plexus, New Earth Humans operate from the Heart.
This means that the Heart is the centre of Balance and the connection point for the Soul and Higher Self.
All decisions and choices in the New Earth are made from the Heart. You make these choices through feeling, intuition and deep inherent wisdom, rather than by the directions of the rational mind. The mind may provide information, but its purpose is not to make choices and decisions. These are made at a deeper level by the Heart and Soul.”

Here is the link on the original message:
https://goldenageofgaia.com/2021/07/07/archangel-michael-2021-lions-gate-the-emergence-of-the-new-earth-human/

Love & Light,
Nena

[Catherine Viel]

I am really enjoying your conversations here, everyone! Thank you all for your often fun and always interesting contributions.🥰
Love,
:c 💓💞🌈

[Julien]

Hi friends!

I felt this new conversation between Ashian and Jennifer Crockaert provided interesting information about the 5D portal (High Heart?) and portals in general : Ashian: How to activate your portal. Since I was wondering about those here a short time ago, I thought it might be interesting to include it in this thread.

Consider it this way, a portal is a higher vibrational vortex; it is a now moment of much higher alignment than is usual in a given space-time moment, it is a connection to a higher vibration that is pulled through space and time to a specific now moment, in this instance, within you in that now moment.

in Loving Kindness,
Julien

[OneRayLove]

Hi Julien,

Without having checked out the channeling you refer to, I “felt” a response. So I decided to speak up and express this “message” here.

“Please Be aware you are channeling as in choosing as in discerning … by the very free will you hold as One within All possibilities … to hold, shape and form any awareness you LIKE.

You Are the very Portal you decide to observe, experience and feel … wether you use your current Galaxy, Solar system or Earth portal as the extension to your inner Human, Body, Heart portal … they aren’t separated in reality. Separation is only an experience you freely choose in every moment as All in One!”

For what it’s worth 💞💓💕🌈🙏

Ralph

[Catherine Viel]

Very nice, Julien and Ralph, thanks! I like what you channeled, Ralph, especially. 😘
Xo 💓💞🌈💞💓

[OneRayLove]

Thank you Catherine 🙏

I confess to be “insecure” to express a “feeling” I have! Mainly because I realize myself as the expressing entity into words. Also because the initial feeling comes in as an instant flash, for lack of a better word. Then there is another “obstacle” as the flash hits my visual cortex first.

So I see it very clear in an instant, but never had the courage to a) listen to these Higher clarity as an impulse holding a message for that particular moment for me as self and the wider Self as a whole.
And b) because of lack of trust for the possible consequences if I would speak up as to the reactions and responses.

This forum and all you in here, have allowed me to overcome my personal “resistance” to speak up from my inner knowing. You give me strength, while I stretch myself ever further in exploring me and my inner knowing as a gift to all, me as an individual included.

I don’t have an intention to step into becoming a channeler. I “refuse” also to go into an inner conversation as to “identify” the source of the messages as one particular … for now. My source is always the Highest source available at the moment I allow to listen and tune in.

For me it matters not of this source is one higher being or a collective of beings, an angel, a planet, a federation or the Divine Mother herself. Maybe this is related to my personal fear of being disappointed … but it’s good, feels good and can’t therefore never be wrong for me or the wider, higher me I am intending to serve.

That’s the only “energy” I try to guard … one of pure intention and Light. As I am also kind of stubborn as a human individual … I also aim at holding this same “open energy wave” constantly, rather than connecting, receiving and disconnect again. I aim at merging with my Highest possible Self in every moment, maximizing All, while still being aligned as One. This for me is ascension, based on my current understanding from a mental perspective, as the Truth part of All awareness.

I definitely sense progress and uplifting change. Also enjoy the very process of exploring these “new” features.

Anyway, thanks again for appreciating and allowing me to express once more💞💓💕🌈 😁🤭🙏

Ralph

[Catherine Viel]

Dear Ralph—as always I so appreciate your honest sharing.

I relate to being hesitant about labeling oneself a “channel.” I don’t want to widely share what I perceive (I love your receipt in a “flash.”) For one thing, it feels presumptuous. How do I know it has any meaning whatsoever? Meaning for me, I’m sure, but not necessarily for others.

I like this that you said:

My source is always the Highest source available at the moment I allow to listen and tune in.

I think that’s the only really essential aspect of receipt from the unseen realms. As far as who’s sending to us, I see little point in trying to pin down an identity. For ego purposes it might be fun to presume certain ascended entities have “chosen” me, but for higher soul / growth purposes, it’s meaningless.

Please feel free to post what you receive…I’m sure I’m not the only person who would enjoy knowing what you “see.”😻🌞🙏🚀

Xo💓💞🌈💞💓

[OneRayLove]

Thanks as always Catherine 🙏,

How do I know it has any meaning whatsoever? Meaning for me, I’m sure, but not necessarily for others.

With some self observation and honest “studying and learning” … this I remember as have practiced too. It vanishes however with a growing knowing of Oneness and feeling the deeper “connection” with “other/outers”. Then it is only a matter of “trust”.

I have “evolved” to a level where I always are open to ask “What is my lesson?”. The “other” party “happens for a reason” … always!
This is how I grew more confident over time, practicing interaction, expressing and observing the honest feelings I have around them.
Many times it was the observation “after” the action that held “lower” energy of “(in-)correctness or doubt”.

Observing it and building trust, release the “lower” thinking and tension … made me stronger and lighter. 💓💕💞🌈😘

[OneRayLove]

You are so kind Catherine and I always feel your true honest appreciation and intention. You are uplifting and radiate out empowerment to everyone, but always in a stimulating respectful way! Thank you my dear friend, you allow me and others to truly feel you and see “into” your core.😘🙏

I like to “explain” a little more about my ever stronger developing “gift”. For maybe by expressing it, shows others as to how I found and use it, which enables them to “do” … rather Be … likewise.

So first about the feeling. I differentiate many feelings, thoughts, sensations, memory, smells, tastes and all kind of combinations … I carry with me as awareness. Within all my awareness there is a “core set” of special ones, that I only know as feelings, but in the most gentle trusted ones.

Now what happens every now and then, is that these gentle feelings “constrict” like a muscle would. It isn’t even in a location inside my physical body, more like a very tiny powerful lightning caresses me. Like a tap on the shoulder that has one direct response for me … “Notice me!”. That’s sometimes all it takes. However, I can only notice these feelings if I am balanced, grounded and aligned with self/Self.

So when I am noticed of “my higher presence” I observe the awareness I am in that Now as something “related” to the Light feeling. I take a “snapshot” of this Now and can hold this moment for a longer and closer look.

Now the combination of my “core set” of feelings and the “snapshot of Now” enables me to hold a Knowing. This knowing is multi dimensional and I can zoom in, listen, look at it from different angles or describe it in different words.
With my “higher developed skills” to guide mezelf In, with the highest intention I am capable of, I can “formulate” an expression, a word, a picture, a thought, or a sentence.

I definitely have gained strength in this forum to “speak up” from the total energy I perceive around people, situations or a single expression or subject. Further I am convinced everyone can “do” this. So maybe it helps people to understand how an “other” goes about. 💕💞💓🌈🙏

Ralph

Ps.

When you go within and allow yourself to rest in the reality of YOU, you open the door to all that the real YOU is. Never forget that your oneness with Source automatically constitutes your oneness with all that Source is. Meditation is a silent listening for the “still, small voice” which you may or may not actually “hear” because this is not the goal of meditation. There may come a “knowing” about something rather than words. It is an individual’s intention to align, listen, and rest in an awareness of oneness that is important.

The Arcturian Group through Marilyn Raffaele, May 23, 2021

[Catherine Viel]

Thank you, Ralph, for your kind words. And also for your description of how the listening/awareness/receipt happens for you. I think it really does help us to hear how it works for others. It helps us to be aware of the possibilities for ourselves.

Xo
:c💓💞🌈💓💞
PS, I assume you meant gentle instead of gentile? 😘 I can fix that if you like:

Within all my awareness there is a “core set” of special ones, that I only know as feelings, but in the most gentile trusted ones.

Now what happens every now and then, is that these gentile feelings…

[OneRayLove]

Hahahahaha 😂😂 yes I did. You could fix it, but I am afraid if you start there you have much more correction work lol 😂

Unfortunately I still make too much typos … some of them I am “blind” for when I type them, because they are correct words … just not in the context. Many times I notice them afterwards and can’t fix them. Used to make many mistakes with … were and where, also nowadays with … past and passed.

The good thing is I feel I’m improving hahahahaha 😂😂

Guess writing in general or in a foreign language is much like life and spirituality … “You just have to go along experiencing and learning, accepting you will make mistakes in the process”

Thanks for allowing me to make mistakes and willing to help me to improve myself.

Let’s agree you have my permission to always fix the “embarrassing” ones 😂😂🙏😘

[Catherine Viel]

Thank you, Ralph, I’ll fix “gentile” because readers might be puzzled, at least momentarily!

I believe you do now make fewer booboos than awhile ago.

I really admire you and other ESL (English as a second language) contributors here. I think it must be so trying to think/write in another language. You are all brave! I used to be semi-fluent in Spanish and a little in French, but I get no practice. Other than with the gardeners. There used to be a French conversation group but I never got to it before they disbanded. 😫
Xo💓💞🌈💞💓

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