Steve’s first interview with Sanat Kumara on An Hour With an Angel radio show, June 6, 2012 (recording, below).
In the post below SK answers one of his questions:
Does Universal Law operate as a whole?
Sanat Kumara on the Purpose of Life, the Universal Law, and the Longing for Liberation
At 35:00 minutes, in the recording below, Steve asks:
Does the Universal Law operate as a piece, as a coordinated, orchestrated whole? And if so could you tell us how it does?
Sanat Kumara: Yes, you are completely on track and correct.
Universal Law is not fragmented.
Universal Law is not this Law or that Law.
Let me be practical.
In each of your countries — and I know that there are many listeners who come from different countries, and some are perhaps more lawless than others, but nevertheless — think of your nation that has a collective of laws that you think of as jurisprudence, and it works as a body of law.
And those laws — well, actually, some of them have become practically incoherent and contradictory, but when they were formulated – the intention and the purpose behind the law — because many of these were Divinely inspired, as you know — was for the body of the law to work as One, for the body of the law to allow you as a collective to operate in ways that were kind, and ethical, and of integrity and consideration.
Now, these are, yes, granted, a stepped-down version, but still based on what you think of as Universal Law.
Now, we need to be very clear, because your listeners sometimes will say,
“Well, no, that is not so because what about this law or that law?”
I am speaking of the intention and the purpose.
So let me now revert back to Universal Law.
As I say, the Divine Plan and Universal Law is a comprehensive set, a body of understanding.
And it is a body of understanding, so that all the participants — although now we speak of human beings, because we tell you that we are already in alignment and with understanding of Universal Law — but it was to give you the understanding in the most basic of ways of:
“How do things work in my Universe?
“How is it that I am to undertake my life in sacred and meaningful ways when I am in my human self on a human journey of spirit in form?
“How do I conduct myself and know that I am in alignment?”
So there are many aspects of Universal Law that you have thought of as stand-alone Laws — and there are dozens of them.
But you are very correct to think that there is Universal Law — you can think of it as One entity, as One collective energy.
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And that energy you can think of, and I have spoken to this channel about this, is the Law of Love, sometimes referred to as the Law of One.
But that has become misunderstood very often and misused in some realms upon your planet.
So we will talk about Universal Law as the Law of Love.
If you look at the individual Laws, what you have come to think of as individual Laws, whether it is attraction or give or receive or karma, it is primarily about the balance, and it is achieving balance both within thee, within your sacred being, and not just within one life or one day or one time-frame, but also throughout timelines, even though it is all simultaneous, and in all realms.
That is why we talk about above-below, within-without.
That is why we talk about balance so frequently.
Because when you are in that place of Love, when you are in that collective of understanding, when you have reached the place within your being of simply acknowledging and being Love, then that is it.
You are in adherence, you are in alignment with the Universal Law.
What you are doing so often in your mental collective human bodies, you are trying to pick the laws apart like a supreme court — or maybe even a circuit court would be a better example.
But that is not the spirit, that is not the energy of the Law.
So you are often picking at various fragments.
It is like trying to break things down when in fact the entire purpose of Universal Law is unification.
It is bringing together, not fragmentation.
So when you think of Universal Law and yourself, because we want you, we ask you and we guide you to think of Universal Law as a way in which you come to understand how we, how Mother/Father, He/She, All, One, Source, Universe, Divine Plan, how we beckon you back to join with us.
So it is a unifying factor.
That is what is called Universal Law.
It is encompassing.
It is embracing.
It is to bring you and us and all together.
And the more that you are in alignment — not with the understanding as if you are a legal scholar, let me be clear about this — the more you are in alignment with your multi-dimensional, Universal, human, starseed, Earthkeeper self, in alignment with the Law, then the more you are in alignment not only with All but with Who You Are.
The more you are in alignment with Who You Are, [the more] you are contributing to the absolute Ascension of the collective.
Yes, you wondered when I would get to this part, didn’t you?
SB: [laugh] Well …
SK: Because what is Ascension other than the reunification?
And it is the reunification not only of your sacred self, of your multi-dimensional self — miraculously still in human form, in this beautiful light form that was a creation out of nothingness and All; it was an idea, a light made manifest — and now in that you connect and re-connect not only with your beloved planet and all the kingdoms, but also with your Universe and far beyond.
When that happens, you will see much more of me!
It is not that I disappear and say, well, I am off to my next assignment now, because I will join you.
And then there will be the creation of the New, of the expression that was always part of the Divine Plan, which is the expression of light, of your uniqueness made manifest, and in that uniqueness and manifestation of you, it is the manifestation of All.
And so your manifestations, because you are in adherence to the Law — and I hope I am clear — will be in harmony with everybody’s creation and manifestation.
It is, it is like the choirs who have tenors and bass and altos and sopranos.
It is like the angelic chorus.
It is like the orchestras.
It is a symphony, but it is a symphony of the Universe.
So you are returning, you are returning Now to that alignment with the Plan, let us suggest, and the transition — and you are all picking up speed by the way — that transition that you have been fully participating in, and that is true of all of humanity, whether they recognize it, acknowledge it or not — it does not matter, they are a part of it — and that is well, well, well advanced and under way.
And what that means, my friend, in very practical terms, I am, as your shepherd, pleased to say that the wandering is over.
Oh, there may be some strays. But most of you, we are very, very proud of you, and we are honored to be part of your undertaking, as you, within our piece of the Divine Plan, which we have not discussed, you are part of our plan as well, you know.
You do not tend to think of it that way, but we are also in a unified unfoldment.
Steve: Lord, I wonder if we have time before the program ends to discuss one more element of this whole equation. You’ve talked about the purpose of life, you’ve talked about the Divine Plan, you’ve talked about the Universal Laws.
There’s one more design feature of life which comes into play here, and I hope I’m correct in saying this, and that is what has been called the longing for liberation, the urge to evolve, the desire to reunite with God, which some people say is built into us and keeps us moving towards God.
Is that correct, what I just said? And if so could you elaborate a little bit on what’s been called the longing for liberation?
SK: Yes, you are correct.
And I would be happy to address this longing, this yearning for freedom, for liberation, and, might I say, for reunion.
Now, let us talk about this aspect of the Divine Plan and the birthing of the Plan.
Because it was, hmm, it was instilled within you by the Divine Mother feminine, and it was the counterbalance — that is the term we would use — it was the counterbalance to free will, to choice; not a cancellation and not an interference.
But it was the counterbalance to free will.
So it is in many ways your internal compass.
You have compasses that always point true north.
Well, your yearning for liberation, your yearning for reunification, your yearning to return Home, back to One, to rid yourself of that illusion of separation, of isolation — which is very painful! — was the perfect assurance that at some juncture what you would do is choose to align with the Law, with the Love, with the Mother-Father One, so that you could catapult yourself forward, back Home.
So yes, it is an innate part of you.
And this is a very important point that you have raised, because you are at this conjunction where there has been so much discussion, even amongst what you think of as lightworkers or lightholders, about who is permitted, who is right, who is wrong, who is permitted to ascend, who is not.
Now, let me suggest to you — no, let me say very clearly – those discussions are not of love and they are not part of the Divine Plan or the Divine Unfoldment.
Every being, regardless of how far you think they have strayed or wandered still has that innate desire, that yearning, for liberation, for reunification.
And so when many of us have spoken to you about this shift, of this change in consciousness, of this shift to the heart of One, of Love, we have been very clear with you that the Divine Plan holds this doorway, this portal, this gateway open for All.
It is completely inclusive.
It is not exclusive.
And so even in the place of darkness, what, hmm, those on our side — and on yours, by the way, beings like yourselves at InLight Radio — what you are doing is igniting that spark of yearning, of that desire for reunification, of liberation, of freedom.
And as it burns brighter and brighter, what happens is it begins to eradicate what you have come to think of as darkness or separation.
And so it activates and it burns brightly to bring people to this place of seeking that liberation — in a variety of ways.
And sometimes, yes, that desire has been thwarted or misunderstood, and thought of as a desire for other things that have been of the worldly realm.
And that has been an error in understanding.
But many are being illuminated by this innate planting of the Mother, and many are saying,
“Well, perhaps my choices, my decisions, have not been that which is truly leading me to that place of joy, where I truly feel that I am on my path, that I am on my sacred journey, where not only do I feel that I am Loved, but that I can Love and that I am Loved, and that I am in this wondrous journey with all who are with me, not just my fellow human beings, but my ascended family, my star brothers and families, and more importantly than anything, the Mother/Father One.”
So I am very glad, my dear friend, that you have brought this point up and that we have had a chance to discuss this, not only as a fragment of discussion, but as part of a unified discussion about Divine Plan, why there is life, what the idea was, and why there is this body called Universal Law.
Why is there this body that beckons you to adhere to unification, to what is lost?
So I thank you.
But more than this, I thank each of you for actively, pro-actively, even in the trough and the crest of the waves, for seeking that truth and liberation, for actively working, and yes, co-creating with us more than ever.
Work the creation formula!
That is why we have given it again, very simply, succinctly.
Go with my Love.
Steve: Thank you, Lord.
Thank you for such an integrated discussion of this matter.
We’ve been greatly benefited.
SK: Farewell.
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