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March 18, 2020 at 7:28 PM #307648Suzanne MarescaKeymaster
A place for discussing ideas about what happens when the physical body dies…
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March 26, 2020 at 9:08 AM #308033Steve BeckowKeymaster
In 1977 my fear of death left me when I saw that I was not my body, as a result of an out-of-body experience.
I awoke in a lucid dream, finding myself in a land which I knew must be another dimension (the Fourth Dimension or Astral Plane).
It must have been a lower-astral or middle-astral plane because some young men were abusing a friend of mine. They were just being mean to him, nothing serious.
I asked them to stop but they couldn’t see or hear me. I was frustrated, aghast, angry and began to cry.
Well, you can’t have a serious emotional outburst on the other side withoutb needing to go down a level. When you’re outside your body, going down a level means returning to your body.
I found myself whizzing through space, backwards, as if my Mother had grabbed me by the scruff of the neck and was hauling me away.
I then experienced myself entering into a wet suit. I tapped on its outer walls and realized it was my body. I was re-entering my body.
For a while I remained inside it. It’s walls were as resistant as India rubber (like a car tire or lacrosse ball). I experienced myself inside my body and then slowly and almost imperceptibly, my perception shifted from being inside my body to being outside.
All this time I was still wailing. We experience emotions like sorrow much more acutely in the spirit body than we do in the physical.
I received a consummate demonstration of that here: inside the physical body, I was wailing; however, when I emerged from experiencing myself inside my body to my senses penetrating my body and seeing the world outside through my physical eyes – in other words, when my sensory experience shifted from being inside my body to being outside – the wailing became a whimper.
That showed me how non-conductive the physical body was compared to the spirit. That demonstration never left me. It had a terrific impact.
Well, if I’m not my body and my body is just an Iron-Man suit that I wear, what is there about death to be feared? I’d seen where I go and I’d seen my body as different from me. In the face of that, the fear of death vanished!
It’d be like I have a ground floor apartment. It’s evening and I’ve ventured out back where the grass is very tall. Suddenly something starts moving towards me through the tall grass. I think to myself, oh, oh! Some wild animal is coming towards me and I’m going to get bitten.
Suddenly the animal emerges from the tall grass and I see it’s Kitty. “Oh, Kitty, you scared me.” And my fear vanishes immediately.
In the same way, our fear vanishes immediately when we realize that we (the spirit inside the body) will not die.
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April 22, 2020 at 8:21 PM #309625LifenergyParticipant
Hi, Suzanne, what a wonderful and not uncommon story. We know that about 10% of the population has had an OBE and 5% and NDE In 1974 I had a Near Death Experience which often starts with an Out of Body Experience, but in my case I messed that part. You are so correct “you” not your body entered another dimension and your frequency of vibration determined which level within that dimension you go to. I can say that because I have spend over 20 years researching the subject of the NDE and its connection with consciousness. You do not fear death because you now know death is a illusion. Consciousness is not a function of the brain but contained in your energy field, aka life energy, subtle energy prana, chi, etc. In other words your conscious energy field. I run a system that reveals this field around people in fine detail and have found it contains very interesting data. We know for example there is no field where there is no life, also it is not subject to the space-time continuum. So being an energy form. soul, or true self you cannot die because energy cannot be destroyed or created only changed or transferred. Therefore “you” must be eternal, nice thought. By the way talking of eternal existence I am involved in a truly revolutionary experiment being devised by one Prof. Gary Scgwartz of the U. of Arizona in Phoenix. The devise is called the Soul Phone and that is exactly what it is, it communicated with the souls of those who have passed on. Hard to believe, science meets spirituality. I know Prof. Schwartz and he does not fool around. Instead of going into detail here I suggest you visit the following web site” https://www.thesoulphonefoundation.org It will confirm your story. Namaste, Chris Lovelidge
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May 24, 2020 at 1:26 PM #310612hbailey94Participant
I had an experience that I believe was going through the transition of dying, it wasn’t that I was taken anywhere, like physically moving from one place to another (I think we often view dying as being flown to heaven or a white light and then being somewhere else), but the reality I was perceiving slowly morphed around me into a different setting.
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June 5, 2020 at 12:03 PM #311011tesmareeParticipant
I had a similiar experience. Not actually a near ‘death’ experience, as my body was fine (as far as I could tell), but an OBE in which I was told I had to go back ”because of your children” – turned out I was meant to work with children, which I have done since in different settings.
The spooky thing about it was a kind of ‘reaper’-figure which I had only known from fairy tales and never expected to have a real background
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