A reader asked about Churchill’s remark about Hitler and I’ve just spent an enjoyable interlude re-reading Robert Leichtman’s interview with him. Here is that remark:
Robert Leichtman: One thing I’m curious about: what has happened to Hitler since he died?
Churchill: I don’t know where in hell he is. [Laughter.] I don’t see him around, I can tell you that. And I’m not really interested. (1)
In the beginning of his interviews, Leichtman had cigarettes on hand for spirits to smoke. Remember that they entered fully into the body of the medium, which one spirit said resembled “marshmallow.”
Some spirits who chatted with Leichtman were very happy to have the opportunity to smoke. Madame Blavatsky was ecstatic, calling cigarettes “bon-bons.” Of course Churchill smoked cigars, leading to this exchange when he first entered medium Paul Winter’s body:
Churchill: I heard you provided cigars in the original set of interviews. [Laughter.]
Leichtman: That’s true. Unfortunately, Paul doesn’t smoke, and I don’t either anymore, so I can’t accommodate you.
Churchill: Well, that’s a real shame.
Leichtman: And I don’t have any brandy to offer you, either.
Churchill: This doesn’t sound as if it’s going to be my “finest hour,” does it? [More laughter.]
Leichtman: Well, we can hope for the best. (2)
Churchill on his role as leader of the British people:
Churchill: I attempted to be a voice of conscience for humanity in general and for the peoples of Western Europe in particular. I felt I had a duty to speak out as to what I believed to be the truth, I could see the danger very clearly. I don’t want to leave the wrong impression; I didn’t sit in my study contemplating the role of good and evil on the planet. I just did not like the way the leaders of the Western world were responding to the threats before them. (3)
Had I been permitted to stay in office, I would have continued to express my outrage at what was happening; that a government which was intrinsically similar to the one we had just defeated was being allowed to spread its influence. I knew the fight had not ended. Nonetheless, I was not in office. My mandate had ceased, and in a real sense, I was very tired of carrying the banner. I hoped someone else would pick it up and carry on, but no one did. As the years progressed, it became clear that we had not won the war; we had only won a battle. (4)
Talking with you here is quite enjoyable. I haven’t had a podium to speak from for quite a long time. (5)
Churchill brought Franklin Delano Roosevelt along with him to the interview and asked if Leichtman would like to speak to him. Roosevelt took the occasion to correct one historical theory. Keep in mind that, on the other side, dissimulation is not possible. Here, in the physical, the body acts like a wet blanket, retarding the impact of the voice of conscience.
There, where the spirit body has the consistency of the finest down at the base of a feather (I say that because I’ve been in the spirit body consciously), it isn’t possible to lie without it having a tremendous impact on one’s self. So I’m more liable to accept what spirits in the Higher Astral or Mental Planes say than I would be if they were still in the body.
Be that as it may, Roosevelt tells Leichtman:
Roosevelt: There have been many theories advanced about why this and that happened; some people believe I secretly called up the Japanese and told them to bomb Pearl Harbor so we could get into bthe war.
Leichtman [sarcastically]: You mean you didn’t?
[Laughter.]
Roosevelt: No, I did not. And there are those who say the war was created to pull us out of the economic nightmare of the Depression, and that is not true either. Our unwillingness to enter the war should be evidence of that.
Leichtman: Sure.
Roosevelt: It is absurd to believe that the only way to solve the economic cycles of the Western world is to create a war here and there. (8)
Now where else than from a channeled interview from beyond the grave would you get that kind of information? After Ascension, the dividing line between incarnate and discarnate beings will, it is said, become very thin. We’ll be able to chat with our departed loved ones. If that is the case, we’ll know a lot more about what happened in history and be the beneficiaries of a lot more wisdom when we consider future courses of action. Of course, we’ll also be a lot wiser ourselves.
One last comment. As I thumbed through the volume, I came across Leichtman’s interview with Paramahansa Yogananda, in which he says to Leichtman: “If it were the intent of this interview to engage in … trivialities, I wouldn’t be here! And I doubt that any of the other people involved in this series would be very much interested either.” (9)
The collection of books that Robert Leichtman produced, which are still available from Ariel Press under the general title From Heaven to Earth, is one of the most stimulating collections of interviews with people who influenced our culture that I have ever come across. You rely on me to tell you what I think is good and what not so good, right? Well, this series is good for anyone who wants to know about the spirit planes, the lives of opinion-makers, the connections between the spirit and physical worlds, etc.
OK, you can stop here and lay the article down or we can switch over to a different source and read about Winston Churchill’s reception in the spirit world, when he died. You may be asking yourself: why the special interest in Churchill?
Well, I attended Sir Winston Churchill High School here in Vancouver, served it in student politics, and even spoke on local radio about Churchill in my senior year. When I wanted to practice my writing skills, I took a book of Churchill’s and typed out long passages of it, to acquire his style of writing. I felt a close connection to Winston Churchill and still do.
So here is Grace Rosher, channeling Gordon Burdick, who was also a Vancouver resident, telling us from the Astral Planes how Churchill fared after death. Now just notice the manner in which this next series of passages is written and you can see how very much superior Leichtman’s series was. This one is rather stilted in comparison but it still does convey useful information.
Here is the death, recuperation, and reception of Winston Churchill by the prime ministers and great soldiers and sailors of England on the Astral Planes. I would think that most of them had graduated from those planes long ago and came back to honor Churchill. Notice the mention that Churchill will get younger in age over time in the astral.
I heard no more until I received the following bulletin:
I wrote, “He said that he was going to spend his first million years in your world painting.”
On February 11 the next and last communication relating to Winston Churchill came:
Some people wonder why we should be interested in life on the Astral Planes. Well, I can tell you from my own experience that being as familiar with life there as I am with many aspects of it here, I feel a sense of peace with existence. I know that, whether I’m here or there, life will continue without interruption. I actually don’t make a distinction between life in and out of the body. It’s all the same to me, except that life on the Astral will be ten times better than it is here. So there’s much comfort and reassurance that comes from knowing about the real life after life.
Footnotes
(1) Robert Leichtman, From Heaven to Earth: The Priests of God. Atlanta: Ariel Press, 1997; c1980, 255.
(2) 207.
(3) 209.
(4) 211.
(5) 212.
(6) 255.
(7) 256.
(8) 250-1.
(9) 82.
(10) Gordon Burdick to Grace Rosher, medium. The Travellers’ Return. London: Psychic Press, 1968., 171-5.