Geoff West and Steve Beckow Look at Peace

On this week’s An Hour with an Angel, Geoff West and I examined peace, Linda Dillon having been called to the hospital to attend to a neighbor. Geoff is a graduate of the UN-mandated University for Peace and I participated in the establishment of the Peace Foundation and wrote its vision statement in perhaps 1991.

Next week Linda will be back and Serapis Bey and El Morya, two ascended masters who have had much to do with Earth’s occult history, Serapis Bey with what has become known as NESARA and El Morya with groups like Theosophy, will return and give the higher-dimensional view of the same subject. Many thanks to Ellen for producing a transcript.

An Hour with an Angel, June 18, 2012 with Geoffrey West and Steve Beckow

Graham Dewyea: Hello, and welcome to An Hour with an Angel. I’m Graham Dewyea. We’re going to do something a bit different tonight. Linda Dillon and our scheduled guests will not be able to join us, so at the last minute we’re quite fortunate to have Steve Beckow of the2012scenario and Geoffrey West of Greenprint for Life discuss tonight’s scheduled topic of peace. They’re both very well versed in the topic, and I expect that this will be a very interesting and engaging show. So, hope you enjoy it.

With that, I’ll pass it on to you, Steve.

Steve Beckow: Thank you, Graham. And we apologize to listeners that we’re not able to go ahead with our scheduled format, but I’m looking forward to tonight’s discussion with Geoff.

Geoff, you’ve studied at the UN-mandated University for Peace in Costa Rica on a one-year Master’s of Peace Education program. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Geoffrey West: Well, it was — thank you for having this discussion. I’d just like to preface by saying that this actually could be a very good segue, when we do have Linda and Serapis Bey and El Morya back as guests, to bring the ascended master perspective to peace. This door that we are creating today is actually a wonderful opportunity to open the discussion, so that people can begin to find in their minds exactly what this issue of peace is.

And I’m going to — I’ll elaborate a little bit more on that shortly, but I’d like to address your question first.

It was a whole series of experiences for me, one right after the other. And this is what every individual has in his or her life path, we are being prepared to follow and experience a truth. And I was led to the University for Peace. And I wanted — I had an idea in my mind of what I hoped would happen at this particular institution. And unfortunately it wasn’t — it wasn’t what I thought it was going to be, although I’ve had to reconcile within myself the reasons for why everything happens as it is.

And the human journey is all about duality; it’s all about learning who we are through the experiences of who we are not. And I have had to come to the realization that, with almost everything else in our lives, the experiences that we have are designed to teach us and bring us a certain aspect of ourselves. And the message that — or one of the messages that I feel that I am to bring to the world, or to humanity, is perhaps a more holistic understanding of the word “peace.” And although that was not present at the University itself, I do have to remain grateful for the souls who were present there at the time to help bring that awareness to me.

And I discovered that many people are willing to talk about the holistic aspect of peace and how important it is, but as the year went on, and certainly in the years since graduating from the University for Peace, I have found that the holistic concept of peace, or that deeper understanding of peace, really is not — has not been present.

I’m going to use the past tense because I believe that human and planetary consciousness is very rapidly shifting to a space where a more holistic interpretation and experience of peace is now becoming known. But at that time it required a certain number of souls to come together in a divine team effort, so to speak, to bring that understanding not only to me personally, but as time has gone on, I’m sure that many students and perhaps even some of the staff themselves have begun to question exactly what is the essence of peace, and am I really contributing to that?

I have found that the administration — bless their hearts for the beautiful souls they are, but they — it was my observation and experience that they were only focusing on the business of peace, the marketing of a message instead of the whole holistic aspect. And certainly what we will be doing through the course of this hour is bringing in that holistic discussion, both from a celestial, philosophical discussion, where your expertise lies, and perhaps from the more three dimensional aspect, where my area of specialty lies. Steve?

SB: Geoff, you mentioned a more holistic perspective, and you mentioned a business-like perspective. What do you mean by the business of peace?

GD: The marketing of the courses were designed in such a way as to perpetuate the current paradigm of separation. And certainly, as human species, we have been taught to live through our differences — race, religion, culture, age, gender, orientation, and the like. The list could go on and on.

And I found that the programs that were being offered there, one — well, mine was peace education. There were courses on international law and human rights. There was international law, settlement of disputes. There was a gender program. There is a media program. There are several environmental programs. All of which sound very honorable, and indeed, the concept behind the essence is honorable. I do not wish to put anyone down for their contributions, because everything is contributing.

Certainly on my newscast in the past I have talked about the legal system, and how the legal system is based in admiralty law. So, the question in my mind has become one of what is it that the institutions are perpetuating? What, indeed, are the leaders of the world perpetuating? You know, the leaders will talk about claiming to want peace, or they will impose peace; negotiators claim to negotiate peace; researchers claim to measure and quantify peace; academics claim to study it; and institutions claim to teach it.

But where in that space is the holistic aspect, or even the be-ing of peace? And where does that be-ing of peace begin? Where does it begin? When does it begin? So, the institution, for all the beautiful things that it does do, it brings together people from around the world, to build relations with each other, and I certainly met some wonderful people there. So, I am very grateful for that.

The focus, however, is on offering courses to perpetuate the separation. In other words, the administration is focused more on perpetuating a career, a salary and a reputation as opposed to doing their job so that someday we do not have to do this work any longer. So that the peace that they’re proposing depends on a continued state of peacelessness. A holistic peace begins to manifest and create the world where that is just automatically present. We no longer basing a salary, a career, a reputation or any kind of prestige on the perpetuation of work relating to peace.

SB: Sounds like — I think Gandhi is quoted as saying, “Be the change that you wish to see,” and it sounds like you’re saying that if the University had worked the way you hoped it would that it would have been producing people who manifest the change that one wants to see, i.e., peace, and it sounds like you’re saying that wasn’t the case.

GW: The peace education program was probably the closest program where the holistic concept was introduced, at least to my knowledge. From what I was able to glean from my classmates and others in the University, ours appeared to be the one that had the closest options for holistic peace. And that’s why I was led to this particular program.

But you are correct. Yes, we want to attempt to be the change that we want to see. It was Mahatma Gandhi that said that, I believe.

SB: Yes.

GW: And we — yeah, finding that space within the peace education program was there, although it was not available in the other programs, certainly not present in the law programs, and I could not foresee — I could not see it present in the media program, and I do have a background in media as well, and it wasn’t there. So it became a challenge, the ideas and the concepts that I was trying to introduce.

People gradually came to understand what I was talking about. I had to step on a lot of feet, and, indeed, I probably upset a number of people, because I kept trying to introduce the holistic concept. And my peace education classmates were more understanding of that, they could see where I was coming from, but certainly in the other programs, no, it was not present at all, and still, to my knowledge, does not appear to be present even to this day.

SB: I notice that in the description of the program that we originally wanted to present, you mention Johan Galtung, and the concepts of positive peace and negative peace. What do those refer to?

GW: Johan Galtung is considered to be among the forefathers of the peace education movement. And he talks about negative peace as being an absence of violence, and the positive peace being more in the absence of structural violence, and that could be everything else that is present in our society.

What exactly does that entail? Well, for – right off the top of my head, to try and refer to the exact example that he, himself, used during his career, those are not there. We can look at the banking system. We can look at the legal system. You know, these are all structures that exist within our society — religion, within our society.

What exactly are we talking about when we talk about a positive peace? Well, certainly when a country goes to war with another country, that obviously is not peaceful. So, it then becomes a rather uncomfortable period, after a potential surrender. You know, what then is peace? Is it conditional at that point? And who is surrendering what? What is it that they are surrendering? And to whom are they surrendering it?

So, we’re missing a whole, a whole holistic connection to the oneness of life. And although everything in our history serves as a foundation for the next step of our evolution, certainly the concepts that Mr. Galtung offered to the world were very valid at the time, much the same as the principles of Newtonian science or Descartian math.

And it is evolving into something more at this point in time. As humanity’s evolution steps further, as we begin to realize the structures of our enslavement within the world, we begin to ask more questions. And that really is what life is all about. And in my work, I define life as being an ever-evolving process. And I include the physical, the non-physical, the visible and the invisible, and all of this serves to support and sustain the presence of everything, not only on Earth, but beyond.

So, at that space, when a negotiation towards peace begins to happen — between countries, between individuals, between family members, perhaps even it can be as simple as a negotiation within yourself, honoring one’s own particular truth — what is it that you are seeking to take? What is it that you are willing to give? And are there any conditions attached to that?

It was Gary Zukav, in his book The Seat of the Soul, if I remember correctly, who said that a soul that is committing violence is hurting deeply, for a balanced soul is incapable of causing harm to another. So, at any point we enter into an awareness or a discussion or an experience of something peaceful, wow is it that we are approaching it? Are we approaching it from a space of pain? Are we approaching it from a space of being a balanced soul? Are we able to look at those around us in a very balanced way, in a oneness perspective?

And Neale Donald Walsch, in his book Tomorrow’s God, said that until you can see God in the eyes of your — or in the face of you enemy, you cannot see God at all. For, in truth, there is no such thing as an enemy, there is only that part of you existing in contrast to another part of you. God does not exist for you if he exists for you only in the things and people you like. And God is not real for you if she is experienced by you only in those things with which you agree. Steve?

SB: Well, Geoff, you undoubtedly have heard speakers on An Hour with an Angel in the past say that it’s almost a sure thing that peace will come to this planet this year. And you’re very familiar with the events that will be happening in this year. Can you, for our listeners, discuss what it is that promises mostly to bring peace about on this planet?

GW: Well, it’s — well, you could perhaps even offer some of the philosophical aspect. The galactic families and the celestial families have certainly told — well, more the galactic families, but the celestials have always known that a period of time would come when humanity would experience what is being known as a golden age of consciousness. And that is what some describe as a higher vibration.

Certainly many religions, many religious texts have talked about a period of time when such an evolution would occur, although they perhaps may not have described it as an evolution, perhaps more as a message of fear, to perpetuate their particular message within religion. And I do not wish to single any out, but, I mean, I certainly opened the door last week on my newscast with the Catholic religion. But that’s neither here nor there at this particular point.

The galactic families have told humanity that if we are to experience what we are claiming we want to experience, we have to participate within that creation. It is very hard to just simply sit back and say, well, I’ve got to pay the bills. I’m just going to keep going on and paying my bills, as long as someone else is willing to do the work and help create that world, that’s okay. I’ll find a way to join in a little later on.

It doesn’t quite work that way. See, although — well, maybe I should backtrack. It kind of does and doesn’t. At some level we all ultimately have a choice. If we follow the perspective of the hundredth monkey effect, then science would say that at a certain point a critical mass will occur, when a piece of information, or an experience of being, or a learned behavior will suddenly be transferred to the larger population.

At this particular point in time, this appears to be what humanity and Gaia is experiencing at this point. Historically, we’re going through a much larger cycle. Many people heard about the Mayan calendar, how our solar system moves around in a cyclic journey around the center of our galaxy, the galactic sun. And we are apparently approaching a particular spot in that cycle when things begin to change.

And this has always been part of the duality experience, a time when the light has its time to shine, and then the period of dark, in order for humanity or for aspects of light to go through the darkness to begin a journey toward knowing that they are the light. And, indeed, we need that period of darkness in order for the aspects of the God-self to go through the knowingness of consciously choosing to be light, especially where light is not present.

I realize I’m jumping around a little bit, so I apologize for that. Is there anything you would like to offer from your experience, Steve?

SB: Sure, Geoff. Thanks for asking.

Well, I think, from my own personal viewpoint, I think I’d want to point at the rising energies on the planet, because I certainly have watched myself over the past, maybe, five or six months and noticed a tremendous — expansion, growth? I don’t know exactly how to describe it — a relaxation, a rising of the floor of tolerance, and I’m able to tolerate a lot more frustration these days, even a little bit of chaos and alarm in my life has happened in the last few days, when certain issues came up for me, and instead of having to do some very deep processing of them, they seem to just lift of themselves.

Certainly the sources on our various programs and on our various blogs have said that we’re going through a transition, we’re going through a great awakening, we’re experiencing energy coming from the heart of God, the heart of One. And I certainly do experience this, and interestingly, that seems to be what’s bringing peace to me.

Now, you have talked about two kinds of models of peace in the last few minutes. You’ve said that there are people in the world — and perhaps the UN is one group that offers people in the world who negotiate peace — who talk about peace with other people, and they have varying agendas for doing that. But that’s a kind of a model in which peace is negotiated between people. And then you’ve talked about the religions in which people are encouraged to meditate or do other things that uncovers the peace within themselves. Is it a case that one is going to bring peace and the other isn’t?

GW: You’re leading into exactly where I think the conclusion of this show is going to bring us. And perhaps we can go there right — we might as well start the journey towards that particular conclusion, and then we can build upon it.

Neale Donald Walsch also said in his book Tomorrow’s God that, even today, with all powers of instant communication, total connection and advanced comprehension, increased awareness and sophisticated technology and marvelous miracles, you can’t produce the simple, humble experience for which humanity has yearned from the beginning of time. You can’t produce peace.

So, the question opens up the door. You know, we have all these institutions outwardly in the world saying, you know, we have to create peace, we have to do this, we have to do that, we have to do this, and the eastern philosophical traditions have taught parts of humanity to go within. Scientific aspects of humanity are bringing the evidence forth that we are all connected in oneness, that we are all energy.

So, different branches of humanity are beginning to collate, or bring together, the key elements that will allow us to produce what we are — that which we are claiming to want, peace, but it will come through the holistic aspect of be-ing peace, as opposed to something that is created externally. Because you cannot create externally that which you are not feeling internally, at least to some degree.

Many humans are going through energetic changes right now. You have described yours. Every human at some level is being exposed to the energies that are beginning to shift the consciousness of Gaia and of humanity, and each will be affected in different ways as it relates to his or her particular life path.

So, they will have to entertain within themselves what their relation is to the All-that-Is. In other words, what is it that they are choosing to be in each moment of now to everything else that is in — that is a part of life? What is that relation? What is that connection? Does one grasp how deeply and energetically connected we are with everything? And in every choice that we make, in every moment of now, are we making our best attempt to honor the other aspect of energy within us?

So, where can peace begin? It can really only begin within the self. But since we are all one, the seed is already there. So, at that point it becomes using the tools that are available to us. When we connect to that Divine love within ourselves, that Divine light and that ultimate sense of oneness and connectivity to the oneness of life, we can begin to employ the external tools such as meditation, such as — and meditation actually helps to establish … I guess meditation and the holistic be-ing run side by side. You know, you can use one or the other to find your — what works for one person personally.

And then, as we begin to connect more to self, we begin to see and feel the bigger picture. And James Redfield outlined a little bit of that journey in his book, The Celestine Prophecy, going through the series of the nine insights, and how at a certain point in our revelation we begin to see the larger history, or the longer history as I believe he called it. And when we begin to see that longer history, that connectivity, we begin to enter into a new relation to the energetic relation that we have with life.

So, it starts within and it manifests outwardly. The long-winded answer to your question, Steve.

SB: Thanks for that. I wonder if I could discuss for a bit what happened for me long ago around peace, as a contribution to working up to the conclusion that you mentioned earlier, Geoff.

In 1987 I had a vision experience while driving my car. And I’ve described that vision elsewhere, I don’t want to describe the vision itself, except to say that what it was was a kind of a movie, or a view, or a wordless tableau of the total life journey of an individual soul. So, I don’t mean one lifetime, but all the lifetimes, from God, out into the world, just as Jesus said: “I came from the Father out into the world; lo, I return to the Father,” et cetera, out into the world through lifetimes in matter.

And then, after two experiences of enlightenment — one in which the light flashed back on, it raced towards the Father; the second experience of enlightenment was when it merged itself in the Father again — and what I was left with after watching this entire tableau play out was that enlightenment was the purpose of life. To know ourselves as God is the purpose of life. God created the world in order that he, himself, or she, herself, or it, itself — [it doesn’t matter?], God has no gender — that God be known, that God meet God in a moment of enlightenment.

And so, if one comes from that particular model of things, then the purpose of life is to know ourselves as God. And one of the ways of knowing ourselves as God is to be God, is to act like God, is to be God-like, and to be God-like is to manifest in ourselves the Divine virtues, the Divine qualities. And peace is one of those qualities. And not only is peace one of those qualities, not only can I describe it in that fashion, but it is one of our constituent qualities. It’s already there. We already are God, we’re simply uncovering the fact that we are God. We’re letting go of all the illusions of 3D and what have you, and when we let go of all the illusions and when we uncover our true nature, we uncover peace. And we do that naturally, because naturally we are peace, and we are love and bliss and harmony and unity, and the other Divine qualities as well.

So, we don’t have to cultivate peace, we simply have to let go of what is not peace. Peace is our default, peace is who we are, it’s what we return to anyways. And for me, the rising energies on the planet are making it easier, almost. I think I could say that, that it’s making it easier to let go of everything that isn’t peace. And what I’m finding as I do that is that what is becoming revealed, what is — I won’t say manifesting, because that is an element of creation; it’s not that if I take off my coat … I wouldn’t describe that as an act of creation, but in fact I’m taking off the non-peace-like qualities — and what is revealed underneath is peace.

Peace is a context, and the context is a view of the whole. Love, for instance, is a context that can contain everything. Peace can contain everything. Health can contain everything.

After worlds explode, the Universe returns to peace. Peace is what is there when all disturbance dies down. War, for instance, has to be maintained. You have to take soldiers to the front, you have to give them guns, they have to shoot at each other, you have to have strategies, you have to have trains running or planes flying. It takes a lot of maintenance activities. But peace takes no maintenance activities at all.

So, again, I return to this aspect of that whole force that you described earlier. The galactics who are around the planet in large numbers, on higher dimensions — they’re not visible to us; the celestials who are around the planet; the ascended masters and all the rest of it, who are assisting us to work our way to the culminating even, the shift that’s scheduled for December 21st, 2012, or earlier — all of them are in a sense like chefs who are simmering us all in this kind of broth, and we’re, to use [ ? ]’s phrase, we’re being baked as sacred bread for God’s sacred feast, which is the experience of the end of the year.

So, peace is manifesting. And people around the planet are agitating for peace — in Syria, in Libya, in Egypt; they want to be free of the domination of their regimes. And the Occupy Movement, again, as the energies rise, the Occupy Movement is demanding a cessation of exploitation in the United States, in Europe, in other countries. So, we are moving towards peace. And it’s almost impossible to avoid becoming more peaceful today.

GW: You’re touching on a very important aspect — I’ve alluded to it, I have not gone into much detail of it — and that is the energetics of peace. And I have talked about when … well, when I communicate with people I use a couple of analogies, but the one that I’ll refer to at this point is the water analogy, towards what people are describing as an ascension in this movement towards a higher consciousness, peace.

Most people will realize that the human body predominantly is of water, and the rest is of a carbon element. And when you boil water, the temperature of the water rises, but at a certain point it becomes easier for the rest of the molecules to immediately jump to a higher vibration, what humans might observe as vapor. So it goes from a liquid state to a vapor state. The water is still present, but it just exists in a different form.

And what you are alluding to, the energies that you are describing, is in essence what humanity is in the process of moving towards, a shift of a very profound energetic nature, where perhaps — and I have to use the word “perhaps” because I don’t think any of us really know from the 3D level exactly what is going to manifest and exactly how, and it will be different for each individual as well, so I cannot claim to speak for everyone; but it will be one’s personal shift — when the energetic system that is each individual, or each soul, when it is ready to make that particular shift to a higher vibration existence, based on all of the external influences, based on all of the internal influences….

But coming back to, you know, to talking about peace for a moment, you know, you pointed out earlier, and I don’t remember exactly the words that you used, but the impression that I got was that peace was very — was an experience within, an internal experience. And this is probably why my research at the University for Peace found that there really is no currently existing holistic definition for the word “peace.”

In my thesis I cited some information from Clark University, a conference from Clark University on assessing the cultures of peace, which occurred in 2001. One of the conclusions was that the notion of peace should be distinguished from the notion of a culture of peace, and that a measurement of peacefulness should be developed that is independent of an assessment of culture.

So, to me, that basically sounds like they’re saying the oneness of life. But the conclusion was that what was amazing, in this room full of scholars, the question of how to define peace was not resolved. What do you feel about that, Steve?

SB: Actually, I can understand that very well, Geoff. If we think about — peace, peace, peace is a — geez, if I were to say the word “aspect,” I’d even run into problems with that. But peace is an aspect of God. Life is an aspect of God. Love is an aspect of God. How can we define love? How can we define life?

Once we get up to God in God’s own [mode?] of being, so to speak, we’re dealing with formless, transcendent, absolute verities, and language doesn’t extend that far. Language … with language, we tend to try to capture something and render it known by comparing it to something. Or language often operates, usually operates, by metaphors. But there’s no metaphor for the unknowable. There’s no metaphor for that to which language cannot reach.

So, that’s the difficulty for me in trying to define peace. And many eastern sages use the word “that,” they say, “I am that.” And by doing that they are refusing to enmesh themselves in the chore of trying to define something that’s undefinable.

That’s the problem I have with peace. I can be peace, I can live in peace, I can demonstrate peace, but the one thing I don’t think I could do is define it. Do you have better luck? Maybe I can refer to your own experience in that area. Have you had greater success?

GW: At the level of 3D, I mean, certainly humans struggle to try to conceptualize an understanding of something. And certainly when we are beginning to move towards a fifth dimensional consciousness and an expansion beyond everything that we have ever currently known, or at least within this particular incarnation beyond everything that we have currently known, it is one thing for an evolving light being to understand peace in — just by its own very unique nature. In other words, as you say, you would have a hard time defining it. And yes, to a certain degree, how do you define the essence of God? How do you define the true essence of light? How do you define the true essence of love? How is it that the universal concepts … can they be vocalized within a limited, three dimensional perspective? And that does represent a very unique challenge.

It was Nelson Mandela who said, “If you speak to a man in your language, it goes to his mind. If you speak to him in his language, it goes to his heart.” So, at this point, you know, for those of us that are rapid — or very firmly rooted in three dimensions, and those that are making the transition through the fourth and fifth, and those that are already moving up to fifth, finding that communication where you can speak to the heart of another becomes a very unique challenge.

SB: I have a question, Geoff, because you’ve said finding that way of speaking to the heart of another is the challenge. You have studied at the UN-mandated University for Peace, you are now doing Cosmic Vision News. I’m sure your background impacts you. How does Cosmic Vision News, for instance,, contribute to world peace, or what is your inner desire to contribute to world peace through Cosmic Vision News? How are you working to bring about world peace?

GW: I think ultimately at the heart of our service is to simply be, without any expectation, and any expectations or goals of what it is that we’re doing. And I think you understand where I’m going with this. I do Cosmic Vision News because I am feeling called to contribute in whatever way I can, or in the best way that I am able to, to bring together my life path experiences to help communicate what I believe to be elements of truth that certain people may need in order to facilitate their own journey of understanding and awakening.

I cannot be responsible for the awakening of everyone, nor can anyone else be responsible for my particular awakening. In my journey, I can only seek to bring into my world the information that feels right to me in each moment of now. So, I — within a 3D perspective, journalism, by its very nature, in fact, communication by its very nature is biased because it flows from the filters of every individual based on his or her uniquely different and uniquely beautiful life path experiences.

So, anything that someone offers to me could be offered totally out of love, but maybe, for whatever reason in my world, I may misinterpret that and choose a different reaction. I might offer something that — what I believe to be honorable and loving to the world, but certain other individuals will not resonate with it. And the whole — the aspect of peace, then, as we begin to piece together a possible definition for the conclusion of this show, if we were to begin exploring this possibility of a definition, what is it that I am choosing to be in each moment? And am I dependent … is my definition of self dependent on something external from me? And in my space of be-ing, that’s all I can be. I cannot control how other people react to me being me. I can only change how I react to people reacting to me being me. If you’re able to follow what I’m saying. Does that make sense?

SB: Absolutely. You mentioned that a journalist brings truth to the world. What is the relationship between truth and peace?

GW: Truth, as I have begun discovering, is very subjective. At least from a 3D perspective. What one individual perceives as truth may not necessarily be perceived as truth by another individual. And yet, we talk about a universal truth, an immutable truth, a truth that cannot be changed, a truth that just simply is, in its purest form.

And this all comes down the language of interpretation. The legal system has been all about interpretation of words. And we try to defend things that we don’t fully know. We try to justify things that we don’t fully know. And many people will almost violently or vehemently defend their beliefs without even really knowing what it is that they’re defending, or what it is that they are criticizing. And religion has often been one of those examples.

People will often invoke the name of God and claim — and say that they know that they’re speaking from God, or just because the Bible happens to particularly say something, or one of … an Elder happens to say that. So it’s the language of interpretation, but what is truth for one is not necessarily truth for another.

And that is part of the journey of compassion, the journey of tolerance, the journey of awakening that becomes internal peace, a movement within the self to honor and recognize the space of another exactly where he or she is in this moment of now, without judgment, and certainly with as much love as is possible in that moment.

You know, we are being called to look upon another from that space of oneness. So the truth is very unique. So …

SB: It certainly sounds like that would bring peace.

GW: Yes. It — when you reconcile what you are defining as truth and you are able to release the egoic interpretation of what is truth — in other words, I might perceive something to me as truth; my ego will seek to defend what I perceive to be as truth, even in the face of making another wrong. And this is — that would be considered a control drama, as James Redfield describes in his book The Celestine Prophecy. We all have energetic control dramas. When things do not go our way, we seek to control the situation, to manipulate it in order to bring the energetic balance within ourselves.

Unfortunately, if our energetic balance has been compromised from emotional or chemical addictions, we are drawn into a different … our definition of balance becomes different. For a bully, for someone who is aggressive, their balance comes in being violent towards another, to get that energetic fix that brings the individual back down into a space of being calm again.

The essence of peace requires the removal of energy. Peace and maybe the universal truth always was present — and you alluded to this at the beginning of the show — the duality experience brings us out of that particular be-ing or universal knowing to play a game with each other and to begin defining ourselves, to know that we are gods and goddesses, to know that aspect of ourselves. But the only way to truly know it is to experience a separation from it.

So, we have to go through the illusion of the duality in order to truly … to know this. You cannot know what hot is without cold. We cannot know what love is without some kind of experience of what love is not. And it is the same with peace; it is the same with truth.

SB: Well, that’s very good. I trained some years ago as a counselor. I was in a sociology doctoral program, and I wanted to counsel. And in the course of counseling people, and listening to them, one of the things that struck me was that what Jesus said was so true, and that’s that the truth shall make you free, truth shall set you free. When people told the truth about their circumstances or themselves, when they finally did get to a statement that was true, they experienced release. And not only did they experience release when they finally got to that statement, but the more what they said was true, like the more truth they spoke, the more release they felt.

So you could almost use it as a homing beacon. If they experienced release, it was probable that what they just said was true. And if they felt more tied up in knots, it was probable that what they just said was not true. So, the truth will set you free, and interestingly enough, to say that the truth will set you free is also to say that the truth will bring you peace. And in fact the ultimate truth, the ultimate truth of who I am, that I am God, and you are God, and everybody is God in form, sets us free from the whole illusion of life.

So, there is, for me anyway, this relationship between truth and peace that truth brings peace. And I find that … I’ve been wrestling with that puzzle for … I think maybe 30 years, I think, and it just gets more and more fascinating, this relationship in which the deeper one gets at the truth, the more peace one feels. The truth really does set us free. So, I guess that would be my take on it.

What’s next for us, Geoff? We’re seeing regimes fall, we’re seeing the oppressive economic structure fall, we hear about mass arrests, and certainly you are watching all this from your seat on Cosmic Vision News. What do you think is next?

GW: Well, let me segue into the answer by adding something that Jean Houston said in 2000.

When individuals come into resonance with universal purpose, they know it in their hearts, they feel it in their bones. There is a great ascent, a cosmic ‘yes,’ an arc of energy across the void. What stands revealed in such moments is the intelleche [in tel ek ee].”

(Or the intelleche [in tel uh kee]; I’m honestly not sure of the pronunciation of that word, I have to admit.)

The creative seed of greatness is within each of us. Some people are given at a very young age to an innate sense of their essential reason for being — the oak their acorn is destined to. For others, even adults living full and successful lives, the issue is activating an awareness of what more is possible.”

So, what is unfolding at this time is certainly something that many … it’s a combination, really. Individuals are awakening at a level that they are beginning to understand that something is happening. At a higher level, our planet, as a conscious, sentient energetic system, it is changing and adapting and moving to a higher sense of awareness. And where each individual is within that depends upon the uniquely different and equally beautiful life path of each individual.

So, it begins an exploration much the same as you described your journey. You are still, and after all these years, you have said, you are still exploring that journey, but you also said that it seems to be getting easier for you at this time. And indeed I would argue that … or I wouldn’t even argue, I would say that, yes, that is very much the case, because the collective water — if I use the analogy of water — our collective water, the vibration is lifting or changing to a point where we are beginning to connect to that higher sense, that deeper knowing of what is unfolding, allowing certain events to begin taking place at a much more rapid pace than what has happened historically.

We certainly know, historically, that it could take generations for certain changes to take place, and it would take time for messages to move through the underground railroad, or whatever, to move from one camp to another to another to another, to eventually shift the consciousness to the point where people, as a society, could begin to enforce and create a conscious change within whatever society they lived in historically.

The internet has helped humanity, even though I think the Illuminati … they offered it believing that we would be distracted by the sports, the media, the sex and everything else on the internet. But many people have and begun awakening to using the internet for the tool that I think ultimately it was designed for. It was a tool for one to educate one’s self.

In other words, all the educational institutions are claiming to bring everyone together into one conscious stream of thinking, when in reality, as uniquely different and equally beautiful people, that doesn’t necessarily work. And we are witnessing that now consistently within education systems, because the young people are standing up and they’re saying, “Hey, I don’t resonate with this anymore.”

And many of them are just going to spend time amongst themselves. Some are going to spend time on the computer to educate themselves, because ultimately that is what our journey is about — finding our truth, finding our message, and how our unique contribution is supposed to manifest in the world.

And that ultimately does lead me towards what I have proposed as a three dimensional holistic definition for the word “peace.” And, I don’t know, would you like to comment a little bit more before I offer that, Steve?

SB: Umm, all right, okay. I was about to comment on what you were going to comment on, but I’ll leave that ’til later. But, well, I guess I would add, Geoff, to your discussion of the various changes that are happening in society, including the internet, that another change is happening, and that’s that religions are coming together and we’re gradually distinguishing out the perennial philosophy that lies underneath religion. And that perennial philosophy itself is simply a description of the design of life, because life was designed.

It was designed to bring us from God, issuing from God at a point of unconscious awareness to coming back to God and merging with God at a point of conscious awareness. And universal laws were provided to see that we don’t go too far off the rails; a longing for liberation was built into us to keep us moving forward; and all manner of other Divine design features have been built into life.

And all of it just simply results in the, first of all, the building of consciousness, and then the removing of false grids or false consciousness so that we reveal the Divine essence underneath, which is peace.

And so, if I were to give my definition of peace right now, I wouldn’t do it in a way that, say, a university would do. I would say that peace is who I am, and by saying that what I’m doing is sort of presenting a challenge to someone to prove me wrong: find out who you are, and tell me if I’m wrong. Tell me if you don’t find out that who you are is peace.

So that would be my take on a definition.

GW: Yeah, I guess the interesting thing would be that no one would have the right to tell you that you are wrong for your experience of peace, because how each individual defines it will be tailored according to the particular life path experience that an individual is having.

You’re connecting right to it. And I’ll perhaps lead into this, and I might as well put this out right now. I talked earlier about life as being an ever-evolving process. And science certainly has proven that everything is energy and that everything changes. Energy does not sit still, so the whole energy and essence of life is change. And that is what humanity has been going through, and perhaps our leaders and our institutions of leadership, although giving us just enough to change, they want us to almost stay the same as well.

And by providing numerous addictions and teases and temptations we’re being held back from going through that evolutionary leap in consciousness, by staying only addicted to the things that are being fed to us, those very limited experiences.

So if we go into life as being this ever-evolving process, and it includes everything around us, physical, non-physical, visible and invisible, how then do we begin to experience and manifest that outward peace? And you have alluded to it very well. I have chosen to offer a definition that goes something along this line:

An internal experience of unconditional love and service to, and for, life. In other words, we’re being in service to all aspects of life, and we are in service for life, the All-that-Is, everything physical, non-physical, visible and invisible. And this is relative to one’s own personal connection to, and relation with, life in each moment of now.

So, as long as I am looking at life in each moment of now with the compassion, love and service, then I am settled into that internal experience that allows me what I, up to this moment, have chosen to define as peace from a 3D perspective.

SB: Well, it’s a very interesting thing that you’ve said, Geoff, because if we look at your definition, some of what we find is that you have built into it certain Divine qualities, for instance, connection to others is either a Divine quality or movement towards a Divine quality, and the Divine quality would be unity. And service to others is again a Divine quality; service to self is more what we do in the third dimension.

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I think Graham is telling us that we’ve reached the end of the hour, Geoff.

GW: I think so, yes. Well, certainly Linda will be joining us again on An Hour with an Angel, and we’ll try to bring in the celestial perspective with Serapis Bey and El Morya, ascended masters who will perhaps continue on this dialogue of peace.

SB: Thank you. I look forward to that, Geoff.

GW: Thank you very much, Steve. Thank you, Graham. Thank you all, listeners, for this particular hour of An Hour with an Angel. Thank you for sharing your time with us.

SB: Thank you.


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