Channeller, writer, author – and singer! – Nancy Tate was my guest on The Light Agenda on August 15, 2012.
We enjoyed a great chat about Andromedan ships, Horus, St Germain, Hatonn, her association with Mike Quinsey and SaLuSa, Inner Earth, Hollow Earth, her books, her CDs and her much-travelled life journey and what lies ahead.
You can listen to the full show here: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/inlight_radio/2012/08/16/the-light-agenda
Stephen Cook: My guest today and I were actually both talking about this week’s anniversary of the Harmonic Convergence when we both realized that we had seen that same ship.
Some of you may know Nancy Tate through her Tree of Golden Light website, www.treeofthegoldenlight.com.
Nancy has run that site since 2002, and she’s also been posting Mike Quinsey’s up-to-date messages from SaLuSa on that site, and keeps him on line.
But Nancy has also been around in the spiritual community for quite some years. And she also channels herself, most recently Horus, from Inner Earth — and we’ll be talking about Inner Earth today — and also Hatonn.
She’s also written two books, with a third on the way, and she produces CDs where she reads her own poetry to music.
You’re also going to find out a little bit more about Nancy, and we’re going to hear about how she’s moved and lived, gosh, all over the United States on her spiritual path, and she’s even going to sing for us today.
Nancy Tate, welcome to The Light Agenda.
Nancy Tate: Well, hello there, Stephen. I’m very glad to be here.
SC: As I said just then, you and I were talking, what, just a few days ago, when we suddenly saw that “new constellation.” And you were actually the person that confirmed to me that it was an Andromeda lightship. So tell me about your experience.
NT: Bob and I like to sit out in the evening and watch the sun set….
SC: Bob being your partner there, of course?
NT: Yes. That’s right. And we were looking up at the sky, you know, after the sunset was over, and then it was dark. And I realized after a couple of nights of seeing this particular, what I thought was a constellation, it was like, “Wait a minute, I don’t understand! What is this?” And, “I don’t remember seeing this before!”
And so I mentioned it to a friend of mine the next day, and she said, “Oh, yes, I’ve seen that too.” So the next night I sat out there, looked at it, and asking, “Okay, so what’s the story here?” And that is when I heard, it is a ship from the Andromedan system. And it is in fifth dimensionality, and that is why some of us can see it and some of us cannot. And it is going through, shifting phases as we do…. And I remember seeing it — it was almost like it was upside down the first time I saw it, with the longer, the elongated point going down. And since then, when I’ve seen it, it’s reversed itself.
SC: Well, that, that’s interesting, because the first time I saw it it was with the point going down, and it was almost above my house here in Sydney, Australia. But we then had four nights of cloud, and it’s moved, and it’s gone, and it was not there last night.
NT: Yes. Yes. I haven’t — as you say, we have had clouds here, too. The view that I was looking at it was the southwestern sky. And, and so we’ve had clouds the last few nights. I haven’t been able to see it. It will be interesting to see if it’s there when the sky clears….
SC: Well, let me tell you, it was… the reason I noticed it at first was because it was actually blocking out a normal constellation. And I thought, “That’s not there! That’s blocking out other things!” And I realized it was a ship. But when I went out last night, the normal constellation was back, which is not even in that shape. And I thought, those buggers, they’ve flown off somewhere else!
NT: Who knows what they’re, what they’re doing? They, you know, it’s a peek for us at what we’re going to be seeing. And it also is an example of what it is, how our sky is going to change as we are moving through this galaxy and through this universe. And we are approaching…. I just read an article, and every bit of it said yes, yes, yes to me about how we are moving into the Milky Way Galaxy. We have not been in it, at least in this time period, you might say. And as we move into it we are coming back into our original place in the Milky way. And when we get there we will be beginning our new journey, fully awake and ready for the next whatever it’s going to be.
SC: I thought it was actually, though, really appropriate that they showed up this week, because we’re just entering into the 25th year of the Harmonic Convergence. It first started back in 1987, and it’s the 16th and 17th of August. But do you think it’s appropriate they showed up at this time? And what can you tell me? Because you said you had some new information about the Harmonic Convergence to share.
NT: The Harmonic Convergence is in its final stages. It is a moment-to-moment Ascension process that we are choosing as we live, as we go through this process. And the Convergence is all about converging everything that we consider beautiful, that we consider peaceful, loving and in harmony, with all of us and with this beautiful planet, Gaia. And so that is what we are to focus ourselves on in these last stages of this convergence into our new beingness.
SC: Okay. So staying way out of negativity or anything to do that. But… the Harmonic Convergence itself, though, was actually the fulfillment of an ancient Mayan prophecy which announced that the conclusion of that cycle of 1,144 years, and the, you know, the transitional period of 25 years. And that literally spans, according to what I’ve read, the 16th of August 1987 through the 21st of December this year, and that is the end of that great Mayan cycle of 5,125 years, or what they said was 1,872,000 days, which is quite phenomenal, to think that it suddenly concludes on the 21st of December.
Now, we also passed through the Lion’s Gate last week with the 8/8 convergence. Have you got anything else to say about that?
NT: No, the only other thing that I do want to mention about the Convergence, back in ’87, that was when we, as a species, made our decision, in harmony, not to have Armageddon, as we had considered, or we had brought the memory along in our beingness about what happened on Maldek. And we decided that is not going to happen again. That is where the idea of Armageddon came from.
SC: That, at that point was when as a whole race we said no, we want a positive future.
SC: So when you are talking about that, do you get… have you had messages about the Harmonic Convergence?
NT: Actually, not directly, as far as, you know, speaking of the meditations and the time-,lines and so forth. Just in information that I would say pertains to it, to the energy of it.
SC: All right. Well, let’s talk about channeling, because you first started channeling after you bought the book Opening to Channel back in 1997. And I suppose it’s somewhat surprising, but not surprising, John Smallman, who was on my show a few weeks ago, he also ended up finding… or that book found him, and that was what got him started on channeling Saul.
So, tell me about that book, because you, also — it kind of jumped at you as well.
NT: Yes, it did. I had seen that book before at another bookstore, oh, probably a year before that. And I looked at it, and I was with a friend of mine, and I said, “You know, this looks like an interesting book.” And he said, “Ach!” He looked at it, he said, “Naw, there’s nothing in that.” And he put it back on the shelf.
Well, that was before I really started listening to myself rather than someone else. [laugh] And so, when I saw that book again, like almost a year later, on a bookshelf there in Oregon, I brought it home with me, back to where I staying with my sister. And it took me probably, maybe, two days to read it, and when I finished it, I said, “Okay, I’m doing this.”
So I put it down, and I learned to do the meditation and so forth, following the steps, and went through the doors that were, you know, that I chose up there. And as I walked through this, you might say, corridor of beautiful beings, I knew that I would… that the one that I am to first, you know, have conversation with would be there and I’d recognize him. And sure enough, it was Confucius.
And I hadn’t had much conversation or thoughts or anything about Confucius. I knew about him. But he told me that he had been waiting for a long time for me to come and make myself known to him. And he told me at a little later time in our conversation that I had been his daughter while he was Confucius on Earth. And his words were I had happened into a melee in my village and been trampled to death by my people.
And that explained to me why, for all my life, I had had an aversion, to put it mildly, sometimes, to anything that was Oriental. And as soon as I realized what that was all about and began to channel Confucius, that went away. And now any home I’ve been in since then has at least one room with oriental furnishings and so forth.
It, it is … I just love it. It feels so good to me.
SC: He turned you around in that moment. When you started that — that’s 1997 — but you didn’t go public with those channels at all at first, did you?
NT: That’s right. You know, when I went that summer with my sister to Maine to stay with our mother for a while, because she was having some surgery and so forth, I allowed that ability to help me and to help me to grow and become more sure of myself, and so forth. And it helped me to get through some of the early stages of my opening up to my spirit.
SC: After Confucius — and you kept him to yourself — who else came along? And how did you know it was them? And what did they say to you?
NT: Well, I was staying at a place back in Arizona, outside of Bisbee, staying at a friend’s little casita, and I started channeling Kryon. I had been reading the Kryon books, quite a few of them, and I was fascinated with the information. It was wonderful. And all of a sudden I just started channeling Kryon. And after a while I asked, you know, “I thought that Lee Carroll was the one for this country to channel you.” And what Kryon told me was that he was the one, or that energy was the one that would ready me to go public.
And so it was a couple of years, I guess maybe, that I was, you know, channeling. And then I did start channeling messages from him and posting on the website.
SC: Okay. And so when did Hatonn first come to you?
NT: I can’t remember exactly when it was. But I can tell you when he first introduced himself to me. And that was the first year I was in Bisbee, Arizona. And I was doing some artistry; some paintings. And I was inspired to do this painting… as I was doing it, I was inspired to do it step by step. And I was painting this beautiful being that came walking up to this, like a temple. And as I painted it, well, what I realized some time later was, that was Hatonn. And that was when he first came to me.
SC: And how did you know it was him?
NT: I knew later because after I did start channeling him I realized. I saw him again, you know, in… I had my inner vision. And I realized, “Oh, that was him!” And so, it was… I think he… I started channeling him, oh, it must have been after I went to Rio Rancho for a while. I think it was sometime around there.
SC: All right. And what about Horus? Because, you know, we hear about celestial beings, and we hear about the galactics. And there seem to be a lot of people who are having communications from the galactics and from celestial beings, but there’s not so many that are actually talking with people or channeling or receiving from our friends in Middle — sorry, not Middle Earth, that’s the Hobbit! [laugh] — from Inner Earth.
And, look, I know you met and befriended Billy Faye Woodard, of course, who is well known for his life and times with Inner Earth. So who came first, your introduction to Billy, or Horus, or how did all that come about?
NT: It was my introduction to Billy. And that opened up the door, you might say, for me to start receiving information from Horus. And Billy is from Hollow Earth, and Horus also resides in Hollow Earth and Inner Earth. And when I first…
SC: Oh, hang on a minute. Okay, before you go ahead, what’s the difference between Hollow Earth and Inner Earth?
NT: Inner Earth is just… is below the surface, and it’s that whole area below the surface, for, I don’t remember how many, thousands of miles, whatever. And then, after Inner Earth is Hollow Earth. And it is hollow, and that is where there is a central sun. The inner core of our Earth is the central sun. And there’s a beautiful, let’s say, life place there that’s a beautiful part of the Earth. And it’s all crystalline, so that you can see the inner layers of Inner Earth, just a few layers of that, before you get to Hollow Earth, which is all open, are all crystalline. So the light from the sun in the Hollow Earth reflects on out through and into, you know, so the people in Inner Earth are able to see the sun, are able to have a beautiful life there, too.
SC: well, let’s just take a little step back, because I did take you off target then. You were telling me about how you met Billy. So let’s go to talk about how you met Billy, and then we’ll come back, and I’ll.… Because I know for some people listening, it’s like, “Whoa!Inner Earth?”
And I suppose the one thing that I always say to people is, well, they used to think the Earth was flat, and then we found out it was round. So how are we to know that what we’ve been told by all of our scientists is true, and whether, you know, they just don’t have the equipment, or they just don’t have the dimensionality vision to be able to see beyond that?
And in saying that I also know that when, I suppose, the NASA craft have landed on the Moon, there’s been a bell sound which has indicated that the Moon’s hollow. So it could well be that every single planet that we’ve heard about is hollow, and especially our Earth.
But back to Billy. How did you meet him?
NT: I met him actually through the Hollow Earth network website. And he was, he would meet on, you know, be on there and have a call and give information and so forth, and then it would be open to questions at the end. And that is how I met him, on line of course, first of all. And then he made a trip over to meet with us. We were living in Tucson at the time. And it was wonderful. It was like, almost like instant recognition, you know, the first time. And so we’ve been really dear friends since then.
SC: And what did he tell you about Inner Earth at that time?
NT: That it’s a wonderful place. It’s a… you know, fifth dimensionality, and that we will have access to it when we are ready, when our vibration is of a higher nature. And we are getting there.
SC: In terms of the vision, though, of that…. I mean, if people want to go and have a look, I know that I found it myself, there are actually photos, I think it’s Apollo 11, where they actually, obviously, didn’t doctor the images like they have of other [laugh] journeys into space, and to the Moon. But there’s definitely what seems to be a hollow Earth entry.
And I know that, of course, if you fly to the north or south pole, there’s supposed to be a legal area where you can’t go into. But also there’s a place where all the compass points start spinning around and around. So, it’ll be interesting to see what develops over the next couple of months with that.
But what did Billy tell you about Hollow Earth in terms of those people? Because we’ve even found giant skeletons here on Earth that have been hidden from us as well.
NT: Oh yes. He says they are anywhere from, say, 12 feet high to 16. And… because there’s no gravity in Hollow Earth. Gravity out here is what keeps us smaller, not as tall — among other things. And, but that’s, you know, they’re beautiful, and they’re large — they’re just wonderful.
A lot of us who are on the surface now have been, used to be, way back before we decided to do this third dimensionality, used to reside in Hollow Earth.
SC: And do you think we’re going to meet them soon?
NT: I think [laugh].… Of course, everyone really loves that word “soon.” [laugh] Yes. Definitely, we are going to meet them at some point. When all circumstances are ready for that, we will meet them. There have been some that have been on the surface that some people have seen, and so that’s…. It’s a matter of who’s ready to see them and is the surface ready for them to come out for, you know, for a gathering and so forth.
SC: Interesting that you said that… Do you think many of us are actually more likely to accept our star brothers and sisters because we’ve seen stuff, than we have our Inner Earth and Hollow Earth friends?
NT: I think for some people that is… that could be the case. But as we get more and more of this information out there that people can relate to, that is going to change things as well.
SC: Umm. So tell me about Horus. How did he come to you, and how did you know he was from Inner Earth?
NT: Well, I woke up from a dream one morning. And in this dream I had seen, at the, what you might call the bottom, or the south pole, I saw the opening there just kind of expand, and I saw… it was like I almost went into … some point or a part of me, my knowingness, started to go inside, and I heard something about I will be seeing you…. It was just very subtle, and I, when I woke up, I … and I was suddenly awake, and I wondered about that. And it was like two days, maybe two days later I started… I brought information through from Horus for the first time.
And that was his preparation, or you might say his introduction to me of him.
SC: So, do you see him, or does he say, “This is Horus,” or do you have any visual or anything?
NT: No. Every once in a while there might be a visual of something. But what I really do is I get this feeling to sit down to my computer and start typing. Or to, if I’m not there, if that’s not the way it’s going to be, I just get this feeling that there’s someone there wants to speak through me. And so he starts, starts speaking.
SC: And do you have any desire to go to Inner Earth? Like have you gone on… I mean, I know you moved to Mount Shasta at one point, which is supposed to be an entry point. But have you been there in your dreams? Can you tell us any more about it from a personal experience?
NT: Not from a personal experience. However, I did realize, even before we went to Shasta, that I didn’t feel as strongly as some people about wanting to go into Inner and Hollow Earth. I welcome the idea that someday, yes, we’ll be able to go in and visit. I am more in tuned with what’s out there in the sky. That seems to be what calls me more. So, Inner and Hollow Earth — yes, definitely, I want to go visit. That’s about the extent of that for me.
SC: So, do you know about your soul heritage? Do you know where you’re from? Are you Andromedan? Because you did see that ship that I did.
NT: Well, I am.… Hunh. That’s an interesting thing, because I have been told, up until, oh, maybe three, four years ago, I’m from Sirius. And then, when I found out about the… back in ’07 I found out about the Mushaba Force. And it was quite by accident. And …
SC: Sorry, what’s… for our listeners, what’s the Mushaba Force?
NT: It is a force that comes from the first universe and helped to create this universe. And it is an energy that is the original energy. It stands for creativity, self empowerment, freedom and love. And there is that energy within each one of us. It was imbued into the soils of Earth when we came here from Maldek. Then, we do have that in each one of us. And we are opening, at the con…. That’s another thing. At the Convergence, in ’87, was when we began to open up to that energy within us, the Mushaba Force. And it was not meant for us to, until we were ready to. And that was the deciding point for us.
SC: We should just mention that Maldek, of course, is the planet that Sheldan Nidle was speaking about last week on the show when he was saying the planet that we all originated from, or rather our race originated from, was a planet called Maldek before we all ended up going to Sirius and other places before we came here. So, I just thought I’d remind everybody of that.
In terms of you knowing about your star history, though, you said you were Sirian, but you seem to have a connection with quite a few of the other galactic race friends.
NT: Well, yes. The beings on Maldek were from all over the universe. And also the connection with Andromeda is through the Mushaba Force. There is a Mushaba race; there is a Mushaba planet. And the planet was first in the Andromedan system. And when it was time for it to be part of, or take part in, the evolution of Maldek, it was brought through a black hole into the Pleiadian system, where it is now.
And so I also have some of my origins on the Mushaba planet, and so that also, I would say, brings my connection with the Andromedan ship that we’ve recently seen.
SC: Okay. So, you finally went public around about, I think, 2002, because that’s when you set up the Tree of Golden Light website. But in doing that, you also met a fellow by the name of Mike Quinsey, who we all now know channels SaLuSa. So, tell me about how you met him, and how you set up your website in the first place. Because you were the fist place that posted all of Mike’s original messages.
NT: Yes. Well, when I first met Bob Towers, we were dear friends for a while, for the first three years or so. And he was very… is very good at the technical part of computers and so forth. He’s worked with them for years and years and years. And so he helped me to set up the website. The name for it I got a few years before, when I was doing my Reiki practice and I wondered, “What should I call it?” And I heard, “Tree of the Golden Light,” and, because of a, something I had looking at in my window.
And, so, that didn’t last very long, the Reiki practice. And so, when I created the website, it came to me, “That’s the name for it, the Tree of the Golden Light.” That was perfect. So that’s how that came about.
SC: And what does that signify to you, though, the Tree of Golden Light?
NT: Well, another thing, when I was getting information about the Mushaba Force — I don’t mean to keep going back on that, but it is a big part of this — it’s like the Tree of Golden Light is symbolic of the roots of our universe, beginning in the first universe and bringing out all the beautiful branches — the trunk, the branches, the leaves…. And there’ve been lots of evolutionary changes in our universe since it began. And the roots are still in that.
And so it’s this, all this golden light that has been evolving through our whole universe. And so that’s why I felt, “Oh, this is perfect.” I can, you know, the leaves on the trees, falling away and giving gifts to the new beginnings, the new growth and so forth. It’s that beautiful evolutionary process.
SC: Umm. It’s funny how so many of us look at trees, and we have symbols of trees, and, you know, there’s lots and lots of carvings of trees and all that sort of stuff. It’s fascinating how that whole symbolism of the Tree of Life has just evolved.
NT: Yes. It is.
SC: Tell me about Mike, then, and how he then became involved with you.
NT: Well, I was channeling, among other… well, Sananda and St. Germain and a few others at the time. And one day St. Germain said to me, “I would like you to contact Mike Quinsey and tell him that I would like to speak through him. I want to start giving messages through him.” And so I did.
At the time, Mike was putting extracts of different channelings and information and sending them out to a list he had. And so, when he, after he started channeling, we arranged for him to start posting his messages on the website. It just seemed like the perfect thing. We had a first Contact section of the website. And so that’s how it all started. St. Germain, that beautiful being…
NT: …he saw that potential in Mike, and there it is.
SC: And it’s funny you mention that, though, because I think for people who have just, I suppose, come on the scene more recently, and they see Mike channeling SaLuSa three times a week, he not only.… He started channeling a whole range of other people, and, as you say, St. Germain, but he also has a radio show on BBS, and for some time there he was actually just sort of looking after his own little small spiritual community instead of sharing those messages with all of us.
NT: Yes. Yes. And it was meant for him to blossom the way he has. It’s just wonderful.
SC: And you’ve been posting his messages right up until now since what date, then?
NT: It must have been 2002 or ’03. And Bob helped to teach him to be able to do his own posting on our website, after a while. When he got a little more …
SC: Technically savvy. [laugh]
NT: Yeah. [laugh] Yeah. So that’s what he does now. He does his own posting.
SC: That means, then, that you’re celebrating your tenth year of Tree of Golden Light this year.
NT: Yes, that’s right.
SC: So, in that time, though, you’ve had lots of good things happen with channeling, but you’ve also had a little bit of criticism. Some people have said, “Oh, she’s not channeling this person or that person.” So, what do you say to them, and how do you say that you know it’s real?
NT: Well, one thing I don’t do is I do not go public and say this is not true. If someone asks me, I just say, well, I totally believe in what I’m doing and everyone has a right to their own opinion.
One of the things I use for my own discernment in any of the messages I get is — and I always know when I’m being given a gift of that, is when I’m typing a message and there’s a word that comes that’s like, “I don’t use that word!” And I’ll even go in my dictionary and look it up and make sure that that’s an appropriate word to be used, and it always is!
SC: [laugh] I can… it’s funny, though, ’cause I can relate to that, because I was doing something the other week, and the word omnipollent came up. And I thought, “Omnipollent?” And I thought, “Oh, it must be… it must be about pollens and all sorts of things.” And I’m actually right now looking around for my dictionary because I can’t even remember what the word meant. Anyway, so, I thought, “All right, well, I’m meant to use it,” so I did. [laugh]
NT: Yeah. Exactly! I know what you mean. [laugh]
SC: So that happens to you, too?
NT: Yeah, yeah. Every once in a while it’s like, “Oh, gosh. Have to go find my dictionary.”
SC: Well, it’s funny, because John Smallman also said that to me the other week. He said, you know, “These words don’t come from my little three-dimensional brain!”
NT: [laugh] Right!
SC: So, once you knew that you were able to channel, though, you’ve just… you’ve just basically been quite religious about it, or you just go with the flow?
NT: Well, pretty much. I don’t put out as many messages as I did for a while, because… just the way my life has gone. I’ve gotten more busy with other things, you know. And the process of releasing old stuff that is no longer pertinent in your life, and, and…. You have to honor that, too, you know? You have to…. I’ve come to the point where I have to put myself first in order to be there for other people.
And, so, I don’t do as many messages. Some of that is because we travel more. And… but I love doing it. I love, you know, reading other people’s. I don’t read a whole lot of other ones because I don’t want to be, let’s say, influenced.
SC: Too influenced. Umm. Umm.
NT: Yeah. Make sure that what I receive is something that I’m receiving, you know, purely.
SC: Well, speaking of traveling around, let’s talk about your life. You were born on August 13th , 1943, which means two days ago you turned 69! [laugh]
NT: Uh-hunh, that’s true.
SC: Happy birthday for Monday!
NT: Thank you.
SC: And you have said to me that you had a really happy childhood. You grew up with two sisters, and you’re the middle one. And, so tell me a little bit about that life, because it sounds like it was a really happy life.
NT: Well, it was. We… it just seemed like a pretty normal life. We, I… I … my…. At first, we lived in a house on the hill, we call it, there in this little town called Stratton, Maine. And it was a wonderful little — a big house, actually, kind of long, and then it had an upstairs, and…. And then I had… my first birthday in our new house was my eighth birthday. We moved into this house that my father built, down at the other end of town. And it was… it’s there today. It’s a wonderful little house.
And so our childhood was just kind of normal, I’d say. We were running around this little home town, and going uptown after school — as I got a little, you know, got older so that I could….
SC: And what were your parents like? What did they do?
NT: Well, my father, at first, was working in road construction with his brother. And then my mother was doing some work at sporting camps, cooking and waitressing and so forth. And then, when Sugarloaf Mountain ski resort in Maine started up right seven miles down the road from our, from our town, they started working there running the food concession. And they ran the food concession there on the mountain for 20 years. That was in the ’fifties. And, it was won…
SC: So, really, I mean, no spiritual background there. Just a normal, average, everyday family having a nice life?
NT: That’s right. Yeah.
SC: You graduated in 1961, and then your first job you became a beautician?
NT: Yeah. I went to beautician school in Portland, Maine.
SC: And then you’ve had all sorts of jobs since. As you said, you were a Reiki practitioner; you’ve cooked in restaurants. But in 1962 you married, and that was your first marriage. And for 20 years you were married to your first husband, and during that time you had two beautiful daughters.
SC: You then remarried in 1984 and were married again for 10 years.
SC: And it was towards the end of that marriage, though that you felt your spirit starting to come alive.
NT: Yes. There were just different things that would come up in my life. My husband and I then lived on 100 acres in a log house that he had built, and gardening, and more or less off the land. And it was wonderful! And I think it was a perfect setting, maybe, for me to begin to open up and spend time with nature more than I had before….
SC: So even throughout your first marriage and your second, you just had what would be, or termed, a 3D life, of dealing with the kids, dealing with the family, dealing with paying the bills and just getting through.
NT: Yeah, that’s right. And the last few years of the second marriage, I worked for four years cooking at Sugarloaf Carrabassett Valley Academy, which was at the foot of Sugarloaf Mountain. And that was wonderful because working for young people in that energy, I think all of these things start to open you up more when you’re happy and when you’re feeling this, this connection.
SC: Umm. Umm. So, basically about a year after your second marriage ended, you suddenly heard about the use of the menorah in Mayan carvings. And my vision of the menorah, if I’m right, is like a candelabra. So, can you just explain a bit about the menorah and then what relationship it bore to the Mayan carvings?
NT: The menorah was… that I heard about from a man that was writing, started writing a book about it, was the Mayan menorah. And it actually exists. He actually knew the person who had it for a while. And he was writing a book about it and was sharing it with me as he wrote a chapter.
And then when he moved away and went to California, it was like I was missing that. And so, I had a little RV at the time. I was… just finished lunch, sitting in there one day, was going to write my family. Put my pen to the paper and started writing The Menorah, the book that I eventually published.
SC: Well, let’s just take a step back: what is a menorah?
NT: The menorah is… well, most people think it is a Jewish candelabra. It is a Jewish candelabra. It is also a Mayan candelabra. It is a candelabra that is associated with each of the 12 tribes of Jerusalem. And it is… each one has its own relativity to each of the tribes.
SC: And… it’s interesting, though, because, having said that there was… there’s the Jewish menorah, and it’s kind of like this six… it’s a six-pronged — or is it five-pronged? I can’t remember.
NT: Well, some of them are five, some of them are seven.
SC: Okay. So it changes. So it’s not just related to chakras itself at all.
NT: Well, it could be. Remember that in our 3D we have the seven chakras. We have more than that as we evolve [laugh] into…
SC: Yes. Yes. We have 12 or 13, don’t we?
NT: Yeah, at least. [laugh]
SC: Yeah. Having heard about it and read about it, you then went off and wrote a book about it. So, that book was called The Menorah: A Beacon for all Mankind. So, tell me about writing that book and what you found out.
NT: Well, that book took me ten years to write. And…
SC: All right, so you started it, you started just after you’d found out about it, 1995-96. So that means you finally got it out in 2006.
NT: Right. And it was a journey for me. It was instrumental in helping me to open up. And it was all channeled. I realized, as I got into it a bit, after I began to channel, I realized, oh, this is all just channeled, from me. You know, I don’t, I’m not… I hadn’t been a writer before. And, and it was so much fun, because I’d sit down to write, and I wouldn’t know what was going to come. And it was such an adventure. That’s the way my writing is.
SC: And so what did you find out?
NT: I found out that there are all kinds of things such as the menorah, or other things — tools or gifts — that are given you to help you to open up on your journey in your own unique way. And that story more or less tells that.
SC: In saying that, when you say ‘story,’ it’s not a historical account. You actually had kind of fictionalized it and set it towards — almost in the same way as maybe The Celestine Prophecy, in some ways, the way that was, I suppose, a fictional story, but it conveyed the message of honesty and truth through it.
NT: Yes, that’s true. That is… that’s what I do. I like to write, I like to tell the story. And so that’s the way it comes. [laugh]
SC: What would you say is the key to the story you wrote? Or what will they find when they get to that book?
NT: Well, they will find the connections in it to the anti-matter part of our beingness, and how we are returning to that. I was taking classes on that, on the anti-matter, and when the menorah was mentioned in the classes, all of a sudden it clicked in place. “Oh, that’s why I’m coming to these classes, to learn this part for the book!”
SC: In terms of why you wrote it, what were you hoping to achieve?
NT: It was the journey for me. And it was being able to realize, for one thing, about the anti-matter energy and the information, and how it applies in our lives, how… how it works with us as we evolve.
SC: And you obviously enjoyed that process.
NT: Oh, yes. Very much so.
Part 2 Tomorrow…