I think this material from Dr. Steven Greer and Dr. Ted Loder needs to get out to whatever extent it’s been transcribed so I’m releasing what Jeremiah and Roz have produced now and we can assemble the rest later.
The only other person I know who brings a familiarity with free-energy technology (not anti-gravity technology) to the discussion is Dr. Tom Bearden, who, I believe, is ill right now, as well as very advanced in age, so Steve Greer and Tom Loder are “it.”
We are at a turning point in the history of our planet where we can, in a very short time, move from the equivalent of horse-and-buggy energy technology to the space technology of free energy. Doing so will literally save this planet.
Here then is a transcript of the first of the six-part series that Steve and Ted produced on World Puja Network radio July 11, a discussion, if we can get behind it, that could lead to the freeing of zero-point energy and a defeating of the “planeticide” that Murder Incorporated and Big Oil are risking by suppressing it.
So here is Jeremiah’s version of part 1. Thank you, Jeremiah.
Dr. Steven Greer: Welcome to Conversations with Dr. Steven Greer and this is Dr. Greer and I’m joined today with Doctor Ted Loder, science advisor for the Orion Project, Orion Project.org, and a very dear friend who has worked for many years on these issues with us.
And we are going to be talking today about the catastrophic oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico that Bridge Petroleum has caused and the implications of it but also what the real solutions are that no one in the main stream media is talking about so thank you, Ted, for being with us today .
Dr. Ted Loder: Its good to be with you
Steve: So I think to set the stage for this. Of course everyone unless you’ve been in a coma for the past seven weeks knows about this catastrophic spill that is gushing millions and millions of gallons a day of toxic crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico in the biggest disaster environmentally in US history and the background of it.
But what a lot of people don’t realize and we are really very fortunate to have Dr. Loder with us today on this call because he is a professor emeritus at the university of New Hampshire as a chemical oceanographer and can speak to some of the ramifications of what we are finding about this particular spill and what it means for the earth and for our environment and for the life and the ocean. So I don’t know if you want to talk a bit about that.
Ted: Well, a couple comments, which have been talked about in the press but definitely, bear repeating.
One is that oil, as most people are aware at some level, is really a mixture of thousands and thousands of hydrocarbon compounds. Some are very light and they are either gaseous, if they were at room temperature, or they are very lightweight, molecularly speaking.
Some are very heavy, long chains of hydrocarbons that actually form the asphalt and the tar that we use on our roads and the heavier oils in the bunker sea oil and what have you.
So the oil that comes out of the ground, if you will, is a mixture of these many, many gases from methane, which is one carbon and four hydrogen, very very light, which is the natural gas that people use in their houses, to the much heavier things.
And it turns out there is also a very complex hydrocarbon with benzene rings and these circular rings of carbon and what have you and a lot of these tend to be very toxic, particularly the lighter-weight things. The tar itself, although toxic if you ate a bunch of it, is not as toxic as some of the lighter weight hydrocarbons.
And so when the oil gets spurted into the water these lighter-weight hydrocarbons dissolve into the water and can if they are near the surface, where the food chains start if you will, where the phytoplankton, the tiny plankton in the ocean, live, these lightweight hydrocarbons can affect the eggs in the various larval stages, which, even if there are no adults around – say, shrimp or whatever else – it can affect the younger stages.
Now one of the many concerns for the shrimp industry, for example, in the Gulf of Mexico is that the shrimp tend to be bottom feeders. They live on the bottom, and so the heavier oils or hydro carbons can sink to the bottom. The bacteria try to chew up this organic matter and utilize oxygen to do that in doing so they remove oxygen from the water columns so you end up with a situation where there is very low or no oxygen on the bottom.
Now the Gulf of Mexico for decades has had a problem of “dead zones,” areas on the bottom where there has been no oxygen for several moths a year. And these areas have basically removed many of the organisms – particularly those that we fish – from those areas.
Particularly shrimp in the Gulf, which is a multi-hundred million if not billion-dollar industry. So that is one of the concerns.
So the picture, as we see, of the tar washing up on the shore killing turtles and birds and what have you because it wets their feathers down, etc., is just a very small percentage of the actual impact of this material.
And one further comment is that the marshes of Louisiana, all up and down the coast of Alabama, in parts of Florida, all along that Texas coast, etc., the marshes, marshlands are incredible nurseries for young shrimp and various young fish, larval stages that grow up in the marsh where there is lots to eat and then they move out to the Gulf as adults.
So if we get a lot of this oil into the marshes it will start affecting the larval stages. This can have an impact years later, as these young who never existed because they get killed would have grown up into adults and be fish down the line.
So even if the oil stopped today the residual effect is many years lasting and this coating the bottom and causing oxygen to be depleted, increasing the potential dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico, is a very very real impact…
Steve: Those dead zones that have been there for years are really the result of so much of the fertilizer and other…
Ted: That is absolutely correct.
Steve: … that have run off into the Mississippi delta into the Gulf and again you get this blooming of micro-organisms that use up all of the oxygen. Then every thing else dies and they are saying that this going to happen on steroids there in the Gulf and because of this exactly what is happening with these micro organisms eating the oil as it were but they are going to use up all of the oxygen.
They just had on the news yesterday that a person from the University of Georgia that said that they had found that they were right at the cutoff of the oxygen concentration where life can live in vast areas of the Gulf where this oil has gone because of this phenomenon.
I might also point out that the wetlands that are being coated and destroyed is not just what is just being killed that are larvae and life and birds and pelicans and all that. That everyone is seeing. But the actual marsh grass themselves and that’s going to be a loss of that land mass for a protected area for New Orleans and other cities.
And to give people an idea, I have a farm out here near the University of Virginia and we a have a farmer who cuts organic hay and he likes it for his cows but when the farmer who is doing this about ten years ago spilled a little bit of fuel on some of the land and that area ten years later has nothing that will grow on it – no grass, nothing, dead.
So this junk, this murderous, cancer-causing, death-inducing, life-destroying, noxious poisonous junk called oil that our society is addicted to is really deadly, and that is what people don’t understand about this.
Now add to that and to this flurry of filth the most toxic dispersant on the market that BP is using in defiance of the EPA and of everything scientific, when there are dozens of other products that are less toxic and more effective and you are just creating a toxic chemical stew in this vast area of one of the most abundant estuaries and one of the most abundant areas for sea life in the world, where there the blue fin tuna and all kinds of things spawn.
The point of this, of course, many people have heard some of this already, but I think what we want to focus on is the fact that British Petroleum is the fourth largest corporation on Earth. Number two, they misrepresented that when they got these licenses for deepwater drilling that they could take care of an accident much bigger than this one with alacrity and ease, when in fact that was a complete falsification and misrepresentation, lie and criminal misrepresentation of what their capabilities were.
And number three we don’t need oil. Dr. Loder was telling me before we started the interview that he had just seen on an economic blog an economist talking about the fact that there has been active and ruthless suppression of Tesla high technologies for decades, which of course we have been saying on this program and which we have very well documented on at the orionproject.org.
If you go to the website you will see there are many, many accounts of these kinds of suppressive activities including what we have just gone through in the last few months trying to get together some of these top secret scientist to work on these solutions so we don’t need oil anymore.